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Old 01-07-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Macao
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I suspect UK is the easiest destination (but probably the least desirable) but mainly for English South Africans....in my understanding they can get a resident visa and eventually a UK passport as long as they can prove that at minimum one grandparent was a UK citizen....and I bet a lot of English South Africans kept their UK passports through the years.

For Afrikaners is more difficult as many live in SA from generations and generations.

However I do not think the desire to leave has reached anywhere close to desperation levels as some may think or imply.......yes there is concern for the future, especially for younger generations but overall the white minority still enjoy a very good quality of life down there....no white South African mail-order brides......yet.......
Thanks for this post.

Your third paragraph, as I keep researching more about South Africa, I am routinely surprised at just how many choose to stay and live their lives there. Almost everywhere, there are percentages of whites in most towns and cities; even if they are the minority almost everywhere, there appears to be enough that just want to stay put.

In short, it can't be THAT bad, that everyone is fleeing, as much of the media seems to try to portray.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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Thanks for this post.

Your third paragraph, as I keep researching more about South Africa, I am routinely surprised at just how many choose to stay and live their lives there. Almost everywhere, there are percentages of whites in most towns and cities; even if they are the minority almost everywhere, there appears to be enough that just want to stay put.

In short, it can't be THAT bad, that everyone is fleeing, as much of the media seems to try to portray.
It isn't always an option to leave. When it is, you would need a degree and a good 5 years experience before considering. Then it costs your entire savings to start up somewhere else where all your money you've saved your whole life dwindles down to next to nothing.

On the other hand, people do say there's just something about South Africa that you can't find elsewhere
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Old 01-16-2016, 12:14 PM
 
Location: NH/UT/WA
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South Africa is in a major decline in terms of nominal GDP, it has likely declined to the #3 position in Africa. The Nigerian economy is almost twice the size of SA now. In 2005, South Africa's economy was larger than Egypt and Nigeria combined.


year South Africa Nigeria---- Egypt-----
2005 $257,772m $164,774m $89,519m
2006 $271,639m $217,736m $107,375m
2007 $299,415m $257,471m $130,346m
2008 $286,770m $325,443m $162,435m
2009 $295,936m $270,471m $188,608m
2010 $375,349m $373,839m $218,888m
2011 $416,597m $418,834m $236,002m
2012 $397,386m $467,119m $262,824m
2013 $366,058m $521,812m $271,973m
2014 $349,817m $573,999m $286,538m
2015 $311,257m $486,745m $283,854m
2016 $252,148m $462,318m $294,578m

*2016 is an estimate based on projected 2016 GDP and todays exchange rates/commodity prices
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:56 PM
 
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South Africa is in a major decline in terms of nominal GDP, it has likely declined to the #3 position in Africa. The Nigerian economy is almost twice the size of SA now. In 2005, South Africa's economy was larger than Egypt and Nigeria combined.
I think there is more to life than just GDP averages.

It's kind of like Hong Kong and Shanghai. I'm sure mainland Chinese cities do better in economic growth..but for quality of life, Hong Kong kills any mainland Chinese city by huge numbers.

I"d imagine much like Hong Kong has way more to offer, I'm sure South Africa does as well. So much already established, etc.

If someone picked Lagos over say Cape Town based solely on recent GDP numbers, I'd imagine that quality of life in Lagos wouldn't be all that high or all that good.

I've never been to Lagos, but I've heard very few good things about quality of life there. I can't imagine Lagos would be a pleasant place to ''hang around for week or so'' unlike say Cape Town, etc.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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Default how many whites are there still in SA?

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I suspect UK is the easiest destination (but probably the least desirable) but mainly for English South Africans....in my understanding they can get a resident visa and eventually a UK passport as long as they can prove that at minimum one grandparent was a UK citizen....and I bet a lot of English South Africans kept their UK passports through the years.

For Afrikaners is more difficult as many live in SA from generations and generations.

However I do not think the desire to leave has reached anywhere close to desperation levels as some may think or imply.......yes there is concern for the future, especially for younger generations but overall the white minority still enjoy a very good quality of life down there....no white South African mail-order brides......yet.......
The numbers I used to have is that there were 5 million whites (for a 25m total population) in 1972 aka 4 million for a 54 m population now, is that exact ?
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Old 01-18-2016, 11:10 PM
 
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The numbers I used to have is that there were 5 million whites (for a 25m total population) in 1972 aka 4 million for a 54 m population now, is that exact ?
It would be interesting to find a Census website on different nationalities who emigrate or moved to South Africa. It seems like its kind of the economic powerhouse that draws in Africans throughout the continent.
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