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Old 12-30-2015, 01:10 AM
 
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Probably the richest and most powerful nations on Earth, probably fewer, larger states.
You gotta be kidding, right?

They would obviously be even poorer and less developed than they are today. There would probably be no "countries", just different tribes doing their own thing.
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Old 12-30-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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Only inland Africa would really be undeveloped, most African cities would be similar to the best parts of Brazil in development or Mexico City/ Puebla/Central Mexico and the murder rate would be on par with Florianopolis or Mexico City or a few of the nice Central Mexican cities. Only inland Africa would really be close to Undeveloped and that would be more likely the traditional countryside and not the large cities.
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Old 12-30-2015, 12:59 PM
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Only inland Africa would really be undeveloped, most African cities would be similar to the best parts of Brazil in development or Mexico City/ Puebla/Central Mexico and the murder rate would be on par with Florianopolis or Mexico City or a few of the nice Central Mexican cities. Only inland Africa would really be close to Undeveloped and that would be more likely the traditional countryside and not the large cities.
Where do you get this from?

I'm under the impression that Latin America is way ahead of Africa in development with Haiti being a notable exception. Latin America is also ahead of Asia as a whole.

Even when we limit to major cities, except maybe some major cities in South Africa most major African cities are behind major Latin American ones in most measures. The exception might be Port-au-Prince, the capital of Haiti and arguably the most African major city outside of Africa.
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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Here is a pre-colonial map of the African continent.

This can give you an idea of what was happening on the continent before colonialism and what may have developed on the continent going into the future had Africa been left alone. This map does show those Africans who were a part of various empires and kingdoms. But it leaves out all the Africans living in areas not touched by these empires and kingdoms. So I wonder how things would have developed for these people going into the future.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e-colonial.svg
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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At least these borders would have been drawn by Africans along cultural and logical lines, not haphazardly drawn by Europeans for their own interests.
^This, as having more borders may make more sense, given the numerous and diverse ethnic/tribal groups.
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:01 PM
 
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Stronger families, more unity, and stable governments, significantly less blacks in the United States.


How come? When the British ended slavery some of the West African kings were very upset at what they considered to be interference.
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:06 PM
 
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Interesting.

Something I was thinking about is if neighboring tribes had agreed to form nations then what would be their national language?

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Why not look at Ethiopia, which wasn't really colonized. The weaker groups were absorbed by the dominant Amharic speaking groups, which were as ruthless as any Euro colonial power was. You cannot even exclude racism since the lighter skinned Hamitic groups employed the same racist stereotypes against the darker more negroid groups as Europeans do. Many Ethiopians and Somalis are highly offended if you call them black, or suggest that they have any connection to nations like Kenya.
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Old 01-01-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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Wrong. You imply that Africa needed Europe to get to where it is today. The inverse is actually true. Africa was doing perfectly fine--excelling even--before the Europeans came and screwed it all up. Without European colonization, they would probably be on par with China, Japan and Germany economically.

Also, the world wars would never have happened...
How so?
I mean: technology was light years behind Europe, poverty was much widespread, there were no nations as we mean it, no industry, no modern technology, complete isolation would mean no investments by Europeans, no modern medicine or science.
How could Africa excel when Shaka Zulu didn't even know the concept of writing and was amazed when it was presented to him? Meanwhile in Europe you had Napoleon drafting his Civil Code and made major advancements in the art of warfare, you had the birth of Industrial revolution in Great Britain, you had Lavoisier, Lagrange, Europeans were discovering the telegraph, the steel, railroads, aerostate, electricity, modern chemistry, the battery, telephone, you had Darwin, Jung and Freud, you had the invention of photography and cinematography, you had people like Foucault, Faraday, Tesla and Edison.
Meanwhile what in Africa?
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Old 01-01-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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How so?

I mean: technology was light years behind Europe, poverty was much widespread, there were no nations as we mean it, no industry, no modern technology, complete isolation would mean no investments by Europeans, no modern medicine or science.

How could Africa excel when Shaka Zulu didn't even know the concept of writing and was amazed when it was presented to him? Meanwhile in Europe you had Napoleon drafting his Civil Code and made major advancements in the art of warfare, you had the birth of Industrial revolution in Great Britain, you had Lavoisier, Lagrange, Europeans were discovering the telegraph, the steel, railroads, aerostate, electricity, modern chemistry, the battery, telephone, you had Darwin, Jung and Freud, you had the invention of photography and cinematography, you had people like Foucault, Faraday, Tesla and Edison.
Meanwhile what in Africa?
I'm no fan of colonialism but I do recognize that through colonialism Africa did receive some useful things like improved literacy,medicine,more modern infrastructure etc. But as far as how Africa would have developed without colonialism? I think many of the things you mentioned above would have been introduce to much of Africa through trade with Europeans and through other exchanges over time. Europe did need Africa's natural resources for various things related to it's growth like Africa's minerals. So trade and contact between both groups would have benefited both.
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Old 01-01-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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Where do you get this from?

I'm under the impression that Latin America is way ahead of Africa in development with Haiti being a notable exception. Latin America is also ahead of Asia as a whole.

Even when we limit to major cities, except maybe some major cities in South Africa most major African cities are behind major Latin American ones in most measures. The exception might be Port-au-Prince, the capital of Haiti and arguably the most African major city outside of Africa.
I was saying in the future, before European colonization many African Nations were on par or more advanced than Europe till slightly after the renaissance. Africa and India/China have a similar story and if Europe hadn't come in with colonialism/slave trade, Africa would probably have technology up to the Arab and East Asian world during the colonial era and their were African merchants as far as China. East Africa and North Sub-Saharan Africa were more advance than Europe till the Renaissance after that European development overtook the world and started to ranch out because of some of the Africans the Moors who got their ideas from the Arabs who got a few of their ideas from China and India. If colonialism hadn't happen certain regions of Africa would probably be more advanced than Latin America although certain regions that lack natural regions or weren't connected to the Silk Road, Saharan or Indian Ocean Trade Routes and weren't port cities would probably as developed or even less developed than they are now. Specifically Southern Africa were the San people are, the San would probably stay at the same level of development, and certain parts of the Congo jungle would also not develop at all even with natural resources because of isolation.
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