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Old 01-10-2016, 12:17 AM
 
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Is SOUTH AFRICA the best country to live in Africa?

I'm kind of half-expecting people to say "NO" and list the crime rates.

But, it really seems to offer the highest quality of life among Africa. I think it's almost entirely outside of the Malaria-zone, it has a lot of international tourism, it attracts business, it has beautiful coastline, many beaches, a diverse mix of people, and Cape Town seems to be an international jewel.

What do the rest of you think? Anything you'd recommend that you'd think might be better? Or even close to it?
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:27 PM
 
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Haven't travelled too much around Africa so won't be able to give a good objective post here. My understanding at the moment is that South Africa is closer to a modern Western country than a lot of the other African countries. However if you're following the news recently, the economy and currency are currently taking a huge knock thanks to bad governance and external factors from Japan and China. Racial tension is also on the up as its local election year and its a known tactic that they (ANC) like to fuel this fire every so often to help with their campaign that to end racism and prevent apartheid coming back then people must vote for them.

Honestly not the best time to think of immigrating here. Emigration will possibly be on the rise until things start showing a hint of stabilising.
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Old 01-14-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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Of course . South Africa is the best in Africa . we having challenges in certain things .We dynamic in our ways unlike the Americans . Compare to us . America is more racially bias and their institution of justice more racially motivated to harm blacks and latinos .I will rather be south african in RSA or Africa .

We are a stable country . Institution like Transparency international are subjective in their view of Africa . Look at the corruption index for a start . We used to it Russia , Africa , Latin America and Asia , beside NATO partners are least corrupt according it . How does Saudi Arabia rank higher than South Africa ?

The West partnering with Sharia powerhouse ( Saudi Arabia ). We have some bad governance issues . What about George Bush lying to the world about motivating to start a massarce in the Muslim world .

People must give us a break . How blacks have white cops butchered in America since 2014 ? England , Germany and France not facilitating integration with people different from them . The refugees were not invited to Europe , but Europe's invitation to them came in aid of bombs , destruction . They escape to Europe is an recoil of what europe started in middle east and Libya .
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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I've been to a half dozen countries in Africa and another half dozen in the Middle East. South Africa is by far the most socially progressive and economically advanced country in the region. Also English is one of the official languages and 90% of the people I encountered spoke at least serviceable English (many are not fluent outside the big cities however). Some of the Gulf oil states are richer per capita but have nowhere near the arts, and political and press freedoms. If I had to live outside of the USA and had to pick a spot, SA would be high on my list. ... and that's with only having been to Durbin, the Zulu rural lands, and the Drackensburg Mountain area. Everybody says the CapeTown area is even more attractive to live. Granted I've only spent two or three weeks there but, boy-oh-boy, it's a beautiful country from what I've seen. I heard so much about the crime but at least where I visited, including some very poor villages, I never was threatened or felt threatened. SA'ers are a very friendly and helpful people.
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Old 01-14-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Of the 48 African countries I've visited, I'd probably choose Tunisia. Good climate. Relatively wealthy. Commonly believed to have the best water supply and sanitation in Africa (or Middle East, for that matter). A relatively diversified economy. Based on just one visit, as an outsider, the "situation" of the country seems to have improved, post-revolution. The Economist newspaper offers a positive picture, five years later: Daily chart: The Arab spring, five years on | The Economist
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Old 01-14-2016, 04:28 PM
 
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Of course . South Africa is the best in Africa . we having challenges in certain things .We dynamic in our ways unlike the Americans . Compare to us . America is more racially bias and their institution of justice more racially motivated to harm blacks and latinos .I will rather be south african in RSA or Africa .

We are a stable country . Institution like Transparency international are subjective in their view of Africa . Look at the corruption index for a start . We used to it Russia , Africa , Latin America and Asia , beside NATO partners are least corrupt according it . How does Saudi Arabia rank higher than South Africa ?

The West partnering with Sharia powerhouse ( Saudi Arabia ). We have some bad governance issues . What about George Bush lying to the world about motivating to start a massarce in the Muslim world .

People must give us a break . How blacks have white cops butchered in America since 2014 ? England , Germany and France not facilitating integration with people different from them . The refugees were not invited to Europe , but Europe's invitation to them came in aid of bombs , destruction . They escape to Europe is an recoil of what europe started in middle east and Libya .
How can you say that South Africans are more racially progressive than Americans? I agree that neither country is paradise for the average black person but America is still way ahead in terms of race relations and economic opportunities for blacks.

- There are still many instances of Xenophobic attacks towards black migrants from other African nations.
- The ANC almost completely ignores the needs of the Cape Coloureds.
- Millions of South African blacks live in slums which are FAR more inhumane than U.S. ghettoes (there are ZERO informal settlements in the US).
- Interracial dating is still extremely rare and taboo in South Africa while in most of America it's pretty common.
- And in America, a black man was elected president despite the majority of Americans being white.

America still has major issues with systemic racism and bias in it's legal system BUT as a Black American myself, I can honestly say that if you're a motivated young black person who wants an education, has enough sense to avoid the bad crowds and WAITS to have children then you WILL become successful. Yes, you may face more obstacles along the way but it's bound to happen.

And this may come off a certain type of way but even though a lot of the unarmed black-american teens didn't deserve to die at the hands the cops; MANY (not all) were already at-risk teens who could've avoided trouble and risky-situations (NOT that i'm blaming the victims).

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Old 01-14-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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Is SOUTH AFRICA the best country to live in Africa?

I'm kind of half-expecting people to say "NO" and list the crime rates.

But, it really seems to offer the highest quality of life among Africa. I think it's almost entirely outside of the Malaria-zone, it has a lot of international tourism, it attracts business, it has beautiful coastline, many beaches, a diverse mix of people, and Cape Town seems to be an international jewel.

What do the rest of you think? Anything you'd recommend that you'd think might be better? Or even close to it?
I would probably pick Botswana. It's supposedly a lot like South Africa except safer and less-populated. If you live in Gaborone then you can drive into Johannesburg/Pretoria to shop. I think it has the highest HDI rating in Sub-Saharan Africa too, which is the metric that the UN uses to measure quality of life in a given country.

I like Nairobi a lot too but there seems to have been a lot of terrorist attacks there lately; which is a major turn-off. I am curious about Luanda since there seems to be a lot of development going on; but I don't know much about it and I don't speak Portuguese so I probably wouldn't be interested. Cape Town is very nice too; it's the only part of South Africa that appeals to me.

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Old 01-14-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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I would probably pick Botswana. It's supposedly a lot like South Africa except safer and less-populated. If you live in Gaborone then you can drive into Johannesburg/Pretoria to shop. I think it has the highest HDI rating in Sub-Saharan Africa too, which is the metric that the UN uses to measure quality of life in a given country.

I like Nairobi a lot too but there seems to have been a lot of terrorist attacks there lately; which is a major turn-off. I am curious about Luanda since there seems to be a lot of development going on; but I don't know much about it and I don't speak Portuguese so I probably wouldn't be interested. Cape Town is very nice too; it's the only part of South Africa that appeals to me.
Botswana might be interesting, but Namibia seems even more interesting to me. Plus you have all the coastline. Granted, it's sparse and desert, but something fantastic about Namibia and the low population though.

Nairobi, yeah, a bit too much political issues going on there. I would love to get to know Kenya more, but it seems like the entire coastline is a bit political with Islam issues which add another element to everything. That and crime issues. I don't know that city/country, but it's one that continually goes off and on my list of places I'd like to get to know.

Luanda/Angola seems very interesting, but way overpriced, expensive; and it seems like safety issues because so many people are a bit financially stressed with it, locally.

Mozambique is one I'd really like to get to know more as well. But, whatever I research, it just seems like South Africa has the most to offer the most kinds of people.
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Old 01-14-2016, 11:41 PM
 
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Only been to Zimbabwe once that's outside SA, but SA is most certainly the best out of the whole Africa. Pity the ANC are ruining everything and stealing copious amounts of money. Racism is never going to stop completely. Nowadays it's not "Apartheid" anymore, I personally call it "Blackpartheid". But SA is very beautiful, We've got the beaches, mountains, deserts....etc. Not even mentioning the Karoo and the beautiful animals, birds and plants. For me the Cape is the most beautiful.
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Old 01-17-2016, 10:59 PM
 
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Not sure if you consider them truly Africa or not but Mauritius and the Seychelles (along with Botswana) always seem to rate the highest in terms of quality of life, GDP, stability, etc.

Mauritius: The best Africa destination you know almost nothing about | CNN Travel

10 Richest Countries In Africa 2014

Forbes Welcome

Mauritius scores highest in African governance survey | Top News | Reuters
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