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Old 03-13-2016, 12:51 AM
 
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Ok, so now we're getting to the jist of your argument. Starting to sound a lil racist here lol. Europeans didn't commit human sacrifice? Seriously?

According to Roman and Greek sources, Phoenicians and Carthaginians sacrificed infants to their gods. The bones of numerous infants have been found in Carthaginian archaeological sites in modern times but the subject of child sacrifice is controversial.[22] In a single child cemetery called the Tophet by archaeologists, an estimated 20,000 urns were deposited

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice

This was just after a quick Google search lol
Again, bait and switch. You know what I am saying, and will say anything not to admit it.

NEITHER EUROPEANS NOR ARABS BROUGHT HUMAN SACRIFICE TO AFRICA. Both groups were done with those customs centuries previous. Human sacrifice of slaves in the era that were are talking about was uniquely African.

Please, stop the lying.

 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:05 AM
 
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Again, bait and switch. You know what I am saying, and will say anything not to admit it.

NEITHER EUROPEANS NOR ARABS BROUGHT HUMAN SACRIFICE TO AFRICA. Both groups were done with those customs centuries previous. Human sacrifice of slaves in the era that were are talking about was uniquely African.

Please, stop the lying.

Now you're backpedaling lol. You stated quite clear and I quote "Nonetheless, Europeans did not commit human sacrifice--these are black African customs."

I just commenced to shutting that lie down quickly lol. Who said Europeans brought the custom of human sacrifice to West Africa? Not I. This was a practice that was worldwide and not isolated to any particular region or group of people. You just got caught in a lie and I corrected you.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:11 AM
 
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Now you're backpedaling lol. You stated quite clear and I quote "Nonetheless, Europeans did not commit human sacrifice--these are black African customs."

I just commenced to shutting that lie down quickly lol. Who said Europeans brought the custom of human sacrifice to West Africa? Not I. This was a practice that was worldwide and not isolated to any particular region or group of people. You just got caught in a lie and I corrected you.
Dear lord you are childish.

The Europeans of the era did not commit human sacrifice. Contact with Europe has nothing to do with why they butcherd slaves en masse.

NEITHER EUROPEANS NOR ARABS BROUGHT HUMAN SACRIFICE TO AFRICA. IT WAS UNIQUELY AFRICAN.

Do you really think that you are helping your cause here? Do you not understand that ANYBODY who clicks on this thread is going to see that African slavery was uniquely cruel?

Your people kindapped women for rape.
your people kidnapped men to castrate
Your people captured both for human sacrifice, even sometimes burning them alive
Your people cannibalized slaves.
These are actions that are performed on chattel slaves, not future household members.

You understand that the longer this goes on, the better my point is made, right?
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:20 AM
 
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Dear lord you are childish.

The Europeans of the era did not commit human sacrifice. Contact with Europe has nothing to do with why they butcherd slaves en masse.

NEITHER EUROPEANS NOR ARABS BROUGHT HUMAN SACRIFICE TO AFRICA. IT WAS UNIQUELY AFRICAN.

Do you really think that you are helping your cause here? Do you not understand that ANYBODY who clicks on this thread is going to see that African slavery was uniquely cruel?

Your people kindapped women for rape.
your people kidnapped men to castrate
Your people captured both for human sacrifice, even sometimes burning them alive
Your people cannibalized slaves.
These are actions that are performed on chattel slaves, not future household members.

You understand that the longer this goes on, the better my point is made, right?
You hadn't proven anything lol. Just repeat the same talking points over and over.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:26 AM
 
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You hadn't proven anything lol. Just repeat the same talking points over and over.
What part of this do you not understand. Slavery in Africa was far more cruel than Western slavery. I would love to keep talking about it.

Upon the order of the king, the prisoner designated for castration is siezed and a cord with a slip knot is places around his neck and tied to his right hand, thus preventing any resistance at the cost of strangling himself. The victim is laid on the ground where six stong men hold him down in such a way that that the operative area is level with a fairly large hole tha thas been previosuly dug in the ground. His head is covered with a sack. After having shaved the area, the operator puts a tight lashing both around the penis and the testicles at the root of the penis. Taking his curved, two edged knife and holding the genitles in his left hand, he cuts slolwy, beggining underneath and so up to the pubic hairs, making a veritble circular incision. He then proceeds with an acutal excision of the organ. No attempt is made to stop the bleeding: they wait for the hemorage to stop itself. For want of anything better, they turn the patient over on to his front so that the open wound is over the hole, while one of the attendents bends the right foot up towards the victim's back in order to increase the flow of blood.

and

Earlier, while Battuta was still at the capital, a group of African cannibals and their leader came to see sultan Mansa Suleiman. They wore large metal rings in their ears and wore silver mantles. they came from a region that possessed a gold mine, so the sultan was gracious to them, and gave them a slave woman as a hospitality gift. The cannibals killed and ate her, then smeared her blood on themselves and went to thank the sultan. As an aside, Battuta reported that he heard the tastiest meat came from the palms and the breasts.

and

it is recorded that that the death of the Ashanti queen in 1816, more than 3.500 slaves were murdered in her honor. Others--the healthies of the young males--were castrated and kept as eunuchs.

"Not only was slavery an established institution in West Africa before European traders arrived, but Africans were also involved in a trans-Saharan trade in slaves along these routes. African rulers and merchants were thus able to tap into preexisting methods and networks of enslavement to supply European demand for slaves. Enslavement was most often a byproduct of local warfare, kidnapping, or the manipulation of religious and judicial institutions. Military, political, and religious authority within West Africa determined who controlled access to the Atlantic slave trade. And some African elites, such as those in the Dahomey and Ashanti empires, took advantage of this control and used it to their profit by enslaving and selling other Africans to European traders."
Zayde Antrim

In Africa, many societies recognized slaves merely as property, but others saw them as dependents who eventually might be integrated into the families of slave owners.

http://autocww.colorado.edu/~blackmo...yInAfrica.html


Slaves were needed in pre-colonial Africa to provide labour in agriculture, trade and industry. Some slaves were employed in the administrative sectors of the state, kingdom or empire. Other slaves served in the military; some performed domestic chores, a few others were sacrificed and some satisfied the personal needs of individuals.

Some slaves were sacrificed in accordance with traditional beliefs and practices during festivals, ceremonial occasions, religious observances and the death of important personalities.

...One striking difference in the use of male and female slaves was in the area of procreation. Procreation did not only fulfil the needs of individuals but whole states. After war, disease or famine had decimated the population, the state would send officials to the slave markets to purchase female slaves to procreate and make up the dwindled population. Throughout the period of the slave trade, female slaves fetched higher prices than male slaves. Female slaves became the wives and concubines of individuals, chiefs and kings.

Source: Dr. Akosua Perbi - Manchester College - USA

Since Dahomey was a significant military power involved in the slave trade, slaves and human sacrifice became crucial aspects of the ceremony. Captives from war and criminals were killed for the deceased kings of Dahomey.[5][6] Most of the victims were sacrificed through decapitation, a tradition widely used by Dahomean kings, and the literal translation for the Fon name for the ceremony Xwetanu is "yearly head business".[7] In later years this ceremony also included the spilling of human blood from the sacrificed.[4] Related with this, there was also a significant military parade in the ceremonies that further displayed the military might of the kingdom of Dahomey.[

According to R. J. Rummel, "Just consider the Grand Custom in Dahomey: When a ruler died, hundreds, sometimes even thousands, of prisoners would be slain. In one of these ceremonies in 1727

In various places in Africa, where human sacrifice was connected with ancestor worship, some of the slaves of the deceased were buried alive with him, or they were killed and laid beneath him in his grave. Encyclopedia Britanica

Among the African Asante, the victims sacrificed as first-fruit offerings during the Festival of New Yams were usually criminals, though slaves also were killed. Encyclopedia Britanica

While it was agreed that the victims sacrificed included wives, slaves and criminals, there is dispute to the degree over which sacrifices derived from sacrifical, religious or judicial, actions. Although the history of human sacrifce in Yoruba disticts...
Cambridge University Press, Olutunji Ojo.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:30 AM
 
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What part of this do you not understand. Salvery in Africa was far more cruel than anywhere else in the world. Live with it. I would love to keep talking about it.

Upon the order of the king, the prisoner designated for castration is siezed and a cord with a slip knot is places around his neck and tied to his right hand, thus preventing any resistance at the cost of strangling himself. The victim is laid on the ground where six stong men hold him down in such a way that that the operative area is level with a fairly large hole tha thas been previosuly dug in the ground. His head is covered with a sack. After having shaved the area, the operator puts a tight lashing both around the penis and the testicles at the root of the penis. Taking his curved, two edged knife and holding the genitles in his left hand, he cuts slolwy, beggining underneath and so up to the pubic hairs, making a veritble circular incision. He then proceeds with an acutal excision of the organ. No attempt is made to stop the bleeding: they wait for the hemorage to stop itself. For want of anything better, they turn the patient over on to his front so that the open wound is over the hole, while one of the attendents bends the right foot up towards the victim's back in order to increase the flow of blood.

and

Earlier, while Battuta was still at the capital, a group of African cannibals and their leader came to see sultan Mansa Suleiman. They wore large metal rings in their ears and wore silver mantles. they came from a region that possessed a gold mine, so the sultan was gracious to them, and gave them a slave woman as a hospitality gift. The cannibals killed and ate her, then smeared her blood on themselves and went to thank the sultan. As an aside, Battuta reported that he heard the tastiest meat came from the palms and the breasts.

and

it is recorded that that the death of the Ashanti queen in 1816, more than 3.500 slaves were murdered in her honor. Others--the healthies of the young males--were castrated and kept as eunuchs.

"Not only was slavery an established institution in West Africa before European traders arrived, but Africans were also involved in a trans-Saharan trade in slaves along these routes. African rulers and merchants were thus able to tap into preexisting methods and networks of enslavement to supply European demand for slaves. Enslavement was most often a byproduct of local warfare, kidnapping, or the manipulation of religious and judicial institutions. Military, political, and religious authority within West Africa determined who controlled access to the Atlantic slave trade. And some African elites, such as those in the Dahomey and Ashanti empires, took advantage of this control and used it to their profit by enslaving and selling other Africans to European traders."
Zayde Antrim

In Africa, many societies recognized slaves merely as property, but others saw them as dependents who eventually might be integrated into the families of slave owners.

http://autocww.colorado.edu/~blackmo...yInAfrica.html


Slaves were needed in pre-colonial Africa to provide labour in agriculture, trade and industry. Some slaves were employed in the administrative sectors of the state, kingdom or empire. Other slaves served in the military; some performed domestic chores, a few others were sacrificed and some satisfied the personal needs of individuals.

Some slaves were sacrificed in accordance with traditional beliefs and practices during festivals, ceremonial occasions, religious observances and the death of important personalities.

...One striking difference in the use of male and female slaves was in the area of procreation. Procreation did not only fulfil the needs of individuals but whole states. After war, disease or famine had decimated the population, the state would send officials to the slave markets to purchase female slaves to procreate and make up the dwindled population. Throughout the period of the slave trade, female slaves fetched higher prices than male slaves. Female slaves became the wives and concubines of individuals, chiefs and kings.

Source: Dr. Akosua Perbi - Manchester College - USA

Since Dahomey was a significant military power involved in the slave trade, slaves and human sacrifice became crucial aspects of the ceremony. Captives from war and criminals were killed for the deceased kings of Dahomey.[5][6] Most of the victims were sacrificed through decapitation, a tradition widely used by Dahomean kings, and the literal translation for the Fon name for the ceremony Xwetanu is "yearly head business".[7] In later years this ceremony also included the spilling of human blood from the sacrificed.[4] Related with this, there was also a significant military parade in the ceremonies that further displayed the military might of the kingdom of Dahomey.[

According to R. J. Rummel, "Just consider the Grand Custom in Dahomey: When a ruler died, hundreds, sometimes even thousands, of prisoners would be slain. In one of these ceremonies in 1727

In various places in Africa, where human sacrifice was connected with ancestor worship, some of the slaves of the deceased were buried alive with him, or they were killed and laid beneath him in his grave. Encyclopedia Britanica

Among the African Asante, the victims sacrificed as first-fruit offerings during the Festival of New Yams were usually criminals, though slaves also were killed. Encyclopedia Britanica

While it was agreed that the victims sacrificed included wives, slaves and criminals, there is dispute to the degree over which sacrifices derived from sacrifical, religious or judicial, actions. Although the history of human sacrifce in Yoruba disticts...
Cambridge University Press, Olutunji Ojo.

More spamming? At least mix the quotes up a little lol.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:33 AM
 
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As an African 'm confused on what African Slavery is? Slavery was different in the Spanish colonies in the English colonies and in the Portuguese colonies but now someone goes around saying African slavery when often not every ethnicity dealt with slaves and those that did the slaves were treated pretty decently depending on the ethnic group. People keep acting like African people share some huge cultural boundary like most Western Europeans do. For Igbo slavery you can read any of Chinua Achebe's books. Now I'm not sure about other ethnicity but you can't even say African slavery then refer to the Ashanti. At that point I can talk about how all of Europe is cruel do to German anti-semitism from the Holocaust or Roman anti-semitism. This is simply not true. As far as I know the Ijaw don't have a history of slavery although my second ethnic group the Yoruba do. Their is no African slavery! You can't generalize well over 2000 ethnic groups.
Finally someone with some sense. Thank you for your input.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:36 AM
 
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More spamming? At least mix the quotes up a little lol.
I am going to add more tomorrow, and the next day, and the next. Your people practicd absolutely barbaric forms of slavery, and as far as we know, it all derived from indigenous African custom. Your people did not write before the Arabs brought Ajami, so it is foolish to paint this fable about how slavery in Afiica was once and extended kinship system. We don't know that. What we do know is that it was neither Europeans nor Arabs that taught them to burn hundreds of slaves alive at a time--Europeans and Arabs had long given up humans sacrifce. These were indigenous African customs.

An African brought over to America on a slave ship could very well be thought of has having the better end of the bargain. At least he would not be burned to death or buried alive to serve his master in the next world.

More tomorrow.
 
Old 03-13-2016, 01:38 AM
 
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I am going to add more tomorrow, and the next day, and the next. Your people practicd absolutely barbaric forms of slavery, and as far as we know, it all derived from indigenous African custom. Your people did not write before the Arabs brought Ajami, so it is foolish to paint this fable about how slavery in Afiica was once and extended kinship system. We don't know that. What we do know is that it was neither Europeans nor Arabs that taught them to burn hundreds of slaves alive at a time--Europeans and Arabs had long given up humans sacrifce. These were indigenous African customs.

An African brought over to America on a slave ship could very well be thought of has having the better end of the bargain. At least he would not be burned to death or buried alive to serve his master in the next world.

More tomorrow.
Now you definitely sound like a racist lol
 
Old 03-13-2016, 09:52 AM
 
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Nothing new actually: it's widely known that Europeans could have never got the slaves without African intermediaries (just look at what portions of Africa Europeans settled between 1500-1830 and you'll see that Europeans just remained along the coastline, therefore somebody had to get to the interior and capture the slaves), it's fundamentally well known.
Slavery has always existed from the dawn of mankind and Africa was no exception, actually it's nowadays an exception as there still is a slavery going on across the continent.
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