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Old 04-29-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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Rich White Liberals (RWL) are as racist as are the loony right wing ones. Personally I prefer the moderate whites. They feel slight guilt, admit that they don't really know blacks, and so are more inclined to listen. RWLs know it all, and think that they are superior, even though they don't admit it. And Rocko isn't totally wrong when he insists that they foist welfare solutions on us. His "mistake" is that he thinks that blacks are dumb enough to buy into that crap. Most of us DO NOT.
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Old 04-29-2018, 06:44 PM
 
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Since you mention Brazil, their industrial farming is ruining their environment. Land owners (oftentimes clans dating back to slavery times) terrorize indigenous people and cut down rain forests in order to make room for soy fields.
Ah, the primitives you love so much, because you have an image of dark skinned savages living in the woods at animal level.

You are aware most people of native descent in South America do not live in the rain forest, and live in the modern society along with everyone else.

A couple more things about African Americans after mechanization got rid of the rural labor force. After the big migration to cities, they didn't all work in factories, nor did they all move to the MidWest. Many moved to Southern cities, many moved to cities in the Northeast, and many moved to cities in California. A number upon arriving in cities worked in retail, for the government, or for businesses in other capacity. I'm not sure there was ever statistical proof most worked in factories, though this is propaganda leftists like to push.
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Old 04-29-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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Wrong, there are hundreds of millions of subsistence farmers today that live exclusively from their humble agricultural activity, on the Philippines for instance. Many form cooperatives so that they exchange with others what they don't grow themselves.

Interesting read on the Chad:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...-food-security

"Soil and water conservation methods, farmer field schools and village support groups could be promoted through such local staff. The reality is that to feed 9 billion people, millions will have to feed themselves, in their own villages, with very low-tech methods. Markets only help people with money and infrastructure. The analysis by the World Economic Forum, whether intended or not, shows that many countries need help that is simple, direct, cheap and decidedly not market-oriented."
Out of what, six or 7 billion people in the world? That gives you an answer about the viability and the popularity. The Phillipines is a wretchedly poor country.

Why not mention CHINA? Did it develop a bit too much for you? Rapid urbanization?

Countries that do not develop economically, politically, and militarily are at the complete mercy of the US and other industrialized nations who will always want their resources. Small scale farmers are nothing to militaries. It's why China pursued industrialization and economic development since the 20th century, to avoid being carved up.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:42 AM
 
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Ah, the primitives you love so much, because you have an image of dark skinned savages living in the woods at animal level.

You are aware most people of native descent in South America do not live in the rain forest, and live in the modern society along with everyone else.

A couple more things about African Americans after mechanization got rid of the rural labor force. After the big migration to cities, they didn't all work in factories, nor did they all move to the MidWest. Many moved to Southern cities, many moved to cities in the Northeast, and many moved to cities in California. A number upon arriving in cities worked in retail, for the government, or for businesses in other capacity. I'm not sure there was ever statistical proof most worked in factories, though this is propaganda leftists like to push.
Of course, but some still do. And when those people want to live the way they always have, who am I or any other city dweller to tell them they no longer can? The rain forest belongs to them much more than to thugs stealing land in the name of rich people and corporations.

There were two big AA migrations, the first one was to the North, the second, bigger one across most of the country including California.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Out of what, six or 7 billion people in the world? That gives you an answer about the viability and the popularity. The Phillipines is a wretchedly poor country.

Why not mention CHINA? Did it develop a bit too much for you? Rapid urbanization?

Countries that do not develop economically, politically, and militarily are at the complete mercy of the US and other industrialized nations who will always want their resources. Small scale farmers are nothing to militaries. It's why China pursued industrialization and economic development since the 20th century, to avoid being carved up.

In China alone agriculture employs more than 300 million people. China is also an agricultural superpower.
China is investing a lot in biological farming recently.

Your view of the world is odd. Almost sounds like you support people stealing resources from others just because those are less developed.
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Old 04-30-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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Why aren't you living in Guyana as a small scale farmer right now, if it was so wonderful?

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Why aren't you working on a corporate farm in Paraguay if it is so wonderful?


Corporate farming in the Caribbean is finished. What remains are unprofitable state owned enterprises and private mid/small size farming. Neither the domestic nor the foreign investors think that corporate farming in the Caribbean is a good use of their capital.


And if you want to know what most rural people don't want is to be a "slave" on a large corporate farm. To the contrary many remain in small and mid sized farming. Not everyone lives in major cities.
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Old 04-30-2018, 05:05 PM
 
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No longer? Black people in the Americans rarely engaged in small-scale or subsistence farming, after all it started with slavery, which was big to begin with. And yes, slavery sucks. I am the last person to expect anyone to work under such conditions.
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Not sure where you got that from. All over the Americas when slavery ended large numbers of blacks became engaged in small farming, some of it semi subsistence. They enhanced their earnings by working on large farms, but they tried as much as possible to reduce their dependence on this by getting control of their own lands.


Yes many people have moved away from small farming to the cities, either into the industrial or to the service sectors. What they typically haven't done is to move to become totally dependent on mega farms. Where ever those exist there is often some degree of exploitation.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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In view of a world that gets more and more demanding all the time and a considerable part of the population who will never manage to be successful in it and sooner or later be automated out of the labor market for simpler minds, it might even make sense to promote small-scale farming in the West again.
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Old 05-05-2018, 01:08 AM
 
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Not sure where you got that from. All over the Americas when slavery ended large numbers of blacks became engaged in small farming, some of it semi subsistence. They enhanced their earnings by working on large farms, but they tried as much as possible to reduce their dependence on this by getting control of their own lands.


Yes many people have moved away from small farming to the cities, either into the industrial or to the service sectors. What they typically haven't done is to move to become totally dependent on mega farms. Where ever those exist there is often some degree of exploitation.
That's true of employment in general.
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Old 05-05-2018, 01:13 AM
 
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In view of a world that gets more and more demanding all the time and a considerable part of the population who will never manage to be successful in it and sooner or later be automated out of the labor market for simpler minds, it might even make sense to promote small-scale farming in the West again.
There are too many people for this to work, and lots of small scale farming would have additional environmental consequences such as forests would have to be cut down, more houses would have to be built, etc.

As corporate farming killed off small scale farmers in North America, people concentrated in large cities, yes. Empty small scale farms became forests or prairies again. Animal populations such as deer, Black beers, ducks, geese, turkeys, cougars, etc all began to recover.

Yes small scale farming cause major environmental damage, and small scale farmers kill animals.

You're overidealizing small scale farming to escape from the issues of the job market.

My grandparents were small scale farmers, and I know plenty of AMERICANS whose grandparents were small scale farmers. Nobody wants to go back to this. Even people like my grandparents wanted their children to do something else.

Rural land is also not cheap and to acquire it (enough of it do anything with) is quite costly. Just because you see forests in the countryside doesn't mean that someone doesn't have title to that land.
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