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Old 12-31-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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I think they do! How else do you explain what's happening in this country and so many other African countries??


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Mass demonstrations expected in the Democratic Republic of Congo this week failed to materialize as the government mounted an unprecedented show of military and police force to quash protests against electoral delays.

President Joseph Kabila officially hit his term limit Tuesday but has no plans to step down...

https://news.vice.com/story/congos-p...ushing-dissent
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:16 PM
 
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Yes, so they can continue to siphon off foreign aid to themselves,elites and crony's and put money in Swiss or French bank accounts. It seems many of these guys are illiterates and the only way to get rich is to move up thru an overly powerful military using cunning and street smarts to stage a coup to get rid of the previous illiterate soldier with no governing skills
very sad pattern and the country never develops.

Money seems to never get to the people that need it or for national infrastructure or anything for the good of the country.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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It's a bit of a complicated situation. Firstly pretty much most governments have corruption, some are better at hiding it than others. African countries tend to get away with it while being a bit more blatant. Probably also a lot more noticeable due to huge wealth gaps.

CGPGrey did a pretty good video on a more general topic for rulers in general. Interesting watch imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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Yep it's called government corruption. How the hell can you have so much natural wealth with a poor economy. Government greed and trade manipulation/ robbery of Africa precious resources. Heck it was our own family that sold us into slavery for money.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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It's a bit of a complicated situation. Firstly pretty much most governments have corruption, some are better at hiding it than others. African countries tend to get away with it while being a bit more blatant. Probably also a lot more noticeable due to huge wealth gaps.

CGPGrey did a pretty good video on a more general topic for rulers in general. Interesting watch imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
Great video makes perfect logical sense.
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Old 01-01-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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It's a bit of a complicated situation. Firstly pretty much most governments have corruption, some are better at hiding it than others. African countries tend to get away with it while being a bit more blatant...
I agree every country has corruption. The big difference is how this corruption is handled. The U.S has corruption. But in the U.S we have a developed legal system that can go after and punish our corrupt politicians. We also have a free news media that can freely expose our corrupt politicians without having their offices vandalized. This isn't the case in many African countries. Many African countries have weaker legal/judicial systems and there are more attacks on journalist in Africa who expose corruption.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:19 PM
 
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Yes. But that's just Human nature. Power corrupts. And those who have power almost never give it up. Democracy isn't easy.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:27 PM
 
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Yes, of course. Because it allows them to live very high on the hog. They get to live like European kings, and feel like they've finally "made it" into a very exclusive club.

There are democratic movements in those countries, cut once a dictator gets into power, it's impossible to dislodge him (without help from the CIA *cough cough* ), so the democratic types never stand a chance. Some end up fleeing for their lives.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:49 PM
 
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Yes, of course. Because it allows them to live very high on the hog. They get to live like European kings, and feel like they've finally "made it" into a very exclusive club.

There are democratic movements in those countries, cut once a dictator gets into power, it's impossible to dislodge him (without help from the CIA *cough cough* ), so the democratic types never stand a chance. Some end up fleeing for their lives.



Interestingly enough, our CIA has for decades had a slant in favor of the democrat party. I think that they lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. The new CIA director, Mike Pompeo, hopefully isn't likely to get us involved in anything unnecessarily. I have faith that the Trump Administration isn't interested in interventionism. Though you have some RINO republicans (like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the Bush family) who are..
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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Do African Leaders Enjoy Keeping Africa Fked Up? (country, people, move) (cut and paste of thread title).

I think they do! How else do you explain what's happening in this country and so many other African countries??
This isn't limited to Africa. "Socialism" has become the order of the day in most non-advanced countries, since it conveniently gives the government, whether nominally democratic or imposed by force, control over a lot of booty.

From the New York Times of September 21, 2016 (one day!):
  1. How Bad Off Is Oil-Rich Venezuela? Itís Buying U.S. Oil
  2. Looming Transition Ignites Deadly Clashes in Congo
  3. Burundi Killings Could Ignite Wider African Crisis, U.N. Report Warns
I will focus on Venezuela most but the other two are relevant, as I will explain. This is a brief extract from the Venezuela article:

Throughout the 1950's through the early 2000 the cry was "Yanqui go home." Venezuela elected an aggressively anti-Western, populist Hugo Chavez as President in 1998. He promptly shoveled oil revenues into revolutionary schemes and pot-stirring throughout Latin America. His resources swelled as oil prices lept from under $10 per barrel in late 1998 to $146, at one point, in 2008. Between 2006 and late 2014 prices treaded between $60 and $110 a barrel, with occasional spikes up and down from those levels. Since just after Thanksgiving 2014 the prices tumbled to a current range between $35 and $55 a barre, again with occasional short spikes higher and lower. This graph provides an excellent snapshot of oil prices from 1946 to 2015.

Now all three of the countries about whom I have linked articles in one day's paper, that of September 21, 2016 are in deep crisis. Except for the "tiger countries" of South Korea, Taiwan, and Canada, Australia, New Zealand Singapore, Israel, Chile, Costa Rica, Ireland, Iceland and to a lesser extent India, most countries that gained independence from the second half of the 19th Century on are, objectively, not doing well. I may have omitted some countries but the overall picture is accurate.

These countries are wracked by war, famine and corruption. The growth of the U.N. and multilateral aid has made life extremely lucrative for the leaders.In fact, while Venezuela, Congo, Burundi and other countries in deep crisis shake their tin cups, they should be asked to bring back some wealth from dictators' Swiss bank accounts. It is all well and good for leaders such as Chavez and now Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte to make threats directed at the United States. But why should we lift a finger while being vilified? And make no mistake; "U.N. aid" is Western aid stripped of preconditions and safeguards. See Top Ten Providers of Assessed Contributions to UN Budgets. The top ten contributors are:


Explanatory Notes: from the United Nations

This should not come as a shock. This is the colonial system but with the West getting no benefits and the dictators getting unfettered access to funds, to steal and kill. My position is that there should be no aid, without serious restraints on how the money is spent. And in the case of Venezuela, no privatization of the oil industry, no aid. Full stop.

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Interestingly enough, our CIA has for decades had a slant in favor of the democrat party. I think that they lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
They may not have given Bush 43 a full picture, but I think Bush 43 did right by invading. My own hypothesis is the weapons moved, probably to Syria. However, Saddam trumpeted having weapons. To my mind that has the same effect as joking about weapons at an airport.

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The new CIA director, Mike Pompeo, hopefully isn't likely to get us involved in anything unnecessarily. I have faith that the Trump Administration isn't interested in interventionism. Though you have some RINO republicans (like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the Bush family) who are..
As I stated above I would limit "intervention" in countries not of vital interest to cutting off U.S. direct aid and aid through multilateral groups such as U.N. agencies. That would make a certain and painful impact.
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