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Old 07-02-2017, 12:09 PM
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Especially some Portuguese fishing communities are said to go back to the Phoenicians. Even Portuguese boats and ships.
The historical connections between the Iberian peninsula and Carthage were very significant. The only ancient DNA sample of a Phoenician from Carthage indicates that his mtDNA(direct maternal lineage) was most likely Iberian. The closest match with a living person is found in Portugal.

https://phys.org/news/2016-05-ancien...-european.html

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Old 07-02-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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You are barking up the wrong tree, caribny.
It was me who first mentioned Nok, Yoruba etc. in this thread...

Nor did I defend the indeed racist view of black people that is still present to a certain degree, to the contrary.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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It reveals much of your own racial attitudes that you think that Afrocentrists are more influential than those who even today claim that sub Saharan Africa has played no real in humanity, other than being the origin of mankind.

Seriously, how many people know or care about what a few black professors think. Even in the USA I can bet you that most blacks aren't thinking of Egypt and certainly do NOT identify with them.

On the other hand the portrayal of pre colonial Africa as a savage place is so pervasive that even many contemporary Africans have this view. And of course this being very damaging to their self image of themselves as Africans. This is written into the narrative as they say its the conqueror who gets to tell the tale.
There are too many great Kingdoms of Africa that African Americans identify with.Egypt is often cited because it is in Africa and most African Americans do not know there direct heritage.

Not too mention so much has been done to educate and investigate untill maybe the last 20 years to inform the general public just how amazing all these kingdoms were.

Cecil Rhodes claimed the Great Zimbabwe was not built by the "lowly" locals but another "master race"
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Old 07-02-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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That is true of course. Although I am not guilty, I am sorry about all those awful things that have happened, slavery, genocide, colonial times, Apartheid etc. And they are still continuing on a more subtle level (EU trade and agriculture policies, Chinese land grab etc.).

But I think the best way for black people to overcome lingering stereotypes is looking into the future and excelling in science, technology etc. because those are the disciplines that are typically associated with East Asians and whites.

Pointless even trying to discuss this with you.
First thing white people bring up is that slavery and apartheid is what we are still mad about.
Apartheid is something many people lived through who are still alive today unlike slavery.Why so quick to down play it as a thing of the past when so many you enforced it and lived it are still alive.

Why should we ignore the very real today systematic ,measured and institutional racism that no other race has had to deal with in modern times,
Dont know if its out of ignorance or sheer malice and or sheer calculated prejudice.
Either way its deceitful and an inaccurate view of reality as it is today for blacks in the Western world
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:26 PM
 
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All one has to do is look at some of the very negroid features of many ancient Egyptian statues to know that the Ancient Egyptians were black...before the Arabic invasion.

But whites love to think that black people couldn't have invented anything great.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:37 PM
 
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Sorry, I think your old sources are obsolete in view of analysis from 2017.

Well, I am a bit tired of this topic, people like you simply believe what they want to believe because they have an agenda, rewriting history. Not only DNA, but also common sense tells me that ancient Egypt was a typical North African, Caucasian culture. Nowhere along the North African Mediterranean coast were there black people back then. Egypt was just another Eastern Mediterranean civilization. And there will be many more DNA and other advanced analysis confirming that. There is nothing racist about it, the only racist thing is hijacking another culture and changing their skin color in hindsight.

Go and look for some other, truly black African culture to boost your racial ego.
If the Ancient Egyptians were white then those dark Greeks mulatto/Arabic.
The fact that you are so adamant about Egypt not being negroid speaks more about you and your Stormfront views. It hurts, doesn't it?

And we blacks have Timbuktu, the Songhai Empire, Benin Empire, Zimbabwe, the Ghanaian Kingdom.
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:38 PM
 
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All one has to do is look at some of the very negroid features of many ancient Egyptian statues to know that the Ancient Egyptians were black...before the Arabic invasion.

But whites love to think that black people couldn't have invented anything great.
Egyptian looks varied.

Here are some Old Kingdom images. One is Hemiunu an architect the other a scribe. Not many people would mistake them for being Nubians.

Hemiunu:


http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id463990881


Old Kingdom scribe:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...yptian-art.jpg
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:41 PM
 
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All one has to do is look at some of the very negroid features of many ancient Egyptian statues to know that the Ancient Egyptians were black
Except that we have already reviewed dozens of times that there are statues with blue and Green eyes, Caucasian features, and mummies with red and blond hair.



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...before the Arabic invasion.
As we have already reviewed, Egypt has always been a corridor of three continents with various peoples contributing DNA.

The Egyptians are "blacker" now due the massive numbers of blacks taken norht for the Arab slave trade:

[SIZE=3]Research on ancient DNA in the Near East[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Mateusz Baca[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Research on ancient DNA in the Near East | Martyna Molak - Academia.edu[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]To obtain the frequencies of these mtDNA types, amplification of the HVRI region and three RFLP markers was conducted. The authors succeeded in analysing RFLP markers in 34 samples and HVRI sequences in 18 of the samples. Both populations, ancient and contemporary, fit the north-south clinal distribution of “southern” and “northern” mtDNA types (Graver et al. 2001). However, significant differences were found between these populations. Based on an increased frequency of HpaI 3592 (+) haplotypes in the contemporary Dakhlehian population, the authors suggested that, since Roman times, gene flow from the Sub-Saharan region has affected gene frequencies of individuals from the oasis.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]mtDNA analysis in ancient Nubians supports the existence of gene flow between sub-Sahara and North Africa in the Nile valley[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]C. Fox, 1997[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9158841[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]The Hpal (np3,592) mitochondrial DNA marker is a selectively neutral mutation that is very common in sub-Saharan Africa and is almost absent in North African and European populations. It has been screened in a Meroitic sample from ancient Nubia through PCR amplification and posterior enzyme digestion, to evaluate the sub-Saharan genetic influences in this population. From 29 individuals analysed, only 15 yield positive amplifications, four of them (267%) displaying the sub-Saharan African marker. Hpa I (np3,592) marker is present in the sub-Saharan populations at a frequency of 687 on average. Thus, the frequency of genes from this area in the Merotic Nubian population can be estimated at around 39% (with a confidence interval from 22% to 55%). The frequency obtained fits in a south-north decreasing gradient of Hpa I (np3,592) along the African continent. Results suggest that morphological changes observed historically in the Nubian populations are more likely to be due to the existence of south-north gene flow through the Nile Valley than to in-situ evolution.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Mitochondrial DNA Research in the Dakhleh Oasis, Egypt[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Alison M. Graver[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Molecular genetic research is being conducted as part of the Dakhleh Oasis Project (DOP), an international and multi-disciplinary research initiative in the western desert of Egypt. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is being analyzed from both ancient human skeletal remains associated with the Roman period town of Kellis (100 to 450 AD) and contemporary inhabitants of the Dakhleh Oasis. The primary objectives of this research are to derive paleogenetic information about the inhabitants of ancient Kellis, and to develop a picture of change over time within this desert oasis. Preliminary mtDNA restriction site data and control region sequence variability suggest significant genetic differences exist between the ancient and modern oasis populations[/SIZE]

mtDNA Analysis of Nile River Valley Populations: A Genetic Corridor or a Barrier to Migration?
Krings
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10090902
To assess the extent to which the Nile River Valley has been a corridor for human migrations between Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa, we analyzed mtDNA variation in 224 individuals from various locations along the river. Sequences of the first hypervariable segment (HV1) of the mtDNA control region and a polymorphic HpaI site at position 3592 allowed us to designate each mtDNA as being of “northern” or “southern” affiliation. Proportions of northern and southern mtDNA differed significantly between Egypt, Nubia, and the southern Sudan. At slowly evolving sites within HV1, northern-mtDNA diversity was highest in Egypt and lowest in the southern Sudan, and southern-mtDNA diversity was highest in the southern Sudan and lowest in Egypt, indicating that migrations had occurred bidirectionally along the Nile River Valley. Egypt and Nubia have low and similar amounts of divergence for both mtDNA types, which is consistent with historical evidence for long-term interactions between Egypt and Nubia. Spatial autocorrelation analysis demonstrates a smooth gradient of decreasing genetic similarity of mtDNA types as geographic distance between sampling localities increases, strongly suggesting gene flow along the Nile, with no evident barriers. We conclude that these migrations probably occurred within the past few hundred to few thousand years and that the migration from north to south was either earlier or lesser in the extent of gene flow than the migration from south to north.

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But whites love to think that black people couldn't have invented anything great.
Non sequitur. You have not presented a shred of evidence outside of your own subjective and irrelevant opinion.


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If the Ancient Egyptians were white then those dark Greeks mulatto/Arabic.
The fact that you are so adamant about Egypt not being negroid speaks more about you and your Stormfront views. It hurts, doesn't it? .
Again, you have proven nothing. You have no busines questioning anyone else's motives, and it refelcts badly on you.

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And we blacks have Timbuktu, the Songhai Empire, Benin Empire, Zimbabwe, the Ghanaian Kingdom.
And those are very fine things for you to claim as your heritage without stealing someone else's.
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Old 08-07-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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It would be like Irish people trying to claim Ancient Greece as their own.

People of west African descent have their own cultural heritage to embrace, trying to steal another is not only a case of cultural insecurity, it's also extremely disrespectful to their ancestors.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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Go to 52:28 of this video.

Jabari Osaze touches on this issue of Black-Americans and African descendant people in general who connect themselves to ancient Egypt(Kemet). What's your opinion of his reasoning on this?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-Lf4k32rM
West Africans don't like it when black Americans do this

It's actually giving into racism, the western media doesn't talk or teach much about anything outside of Egypt. And by ignoring west and central Africa and talking too much about Egypt they are giving into that racism.

It make more sense as a starting point to learn about the largest group taken from Africa, Yoruba, Ashanti, Igbo, Mande, Wolof and etc. history, culture, kingdoms and etc. than work to the smaller groups and etc.

But growing up I did not know about sub Saharan architecture I did not know there were dozen of Iron Age kingdom. with complex organization of societies, leaders and military

It makes more sense to spread and teach about that which is talk about far less. Than continue the racist notion that Africa is just Egyptian. The biggest pre colonial structure is not even in Egypt but Nigeria, and though smaller there actually more pyramids in Sudan because of the Nubian than Egypt.
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