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Old 07-30-2018, 03:58 AM
 
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European people went wrong. Africa had kingdoms, they just didn't know about the white walkers from the north.
But that has little to do with current Egyptians in my opinion, many black dominicans don't think they are black...
Blaming other people for current African issues is getting us where exactly? A moral victory? A pat on the back? Nowhere, thatís where it gets you. Africa exploited itself as much as Europe exploited it. Our reliance on those who continue to exploit Africa is all the more hilarious. Itís Europe's fault! Oops I mean come back Europe we need your investments and trade. Stay back Europe! Youíve exploited this continent enough! Come back! We need your money!

Perhaps black Dominicans would consider themselves to be black if being black came with pride. It doesnít and there are many people who are ashamed of it of which I canít blame them.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:56 AM
 
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European people went wrong. Africa had kingdoms, they just didn't know about the white walkers from the north.
But that has little to do with current Egyptians in my opinion, many black dominicans don't think they are black...

The Sahara is a big divider. If I look at the statues the Egyptions made they don't look like Black people
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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Perhaps black Dominicans would consider themselves to be black if being black came with pride. It doesnít and there are many people who are ashamed of it of which I canít blame them.
Dominican don't have pride in being black (despite sharing an island with obviously black people...but whatever) because of a propaganda campaign by Trujillo and a need to distance themselves from those who once occupied them. It's the result of brain washing. Has nothing to do with shame.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Blaming other people for current African issues is getting us where exactly? A moral victory? A pat on the back? Nowhere, thatís where it gets you. Africa exploited itself as much as Europe exploited it. Our reliance on those who continue to exploit Africa is all the more hilarious. Itís Europe's fault! Oops I mean come back Europe we need your investments and trade. Stay back Europe! Youíve exploited this continent enough! Come back! We need your money!

Perhaps black Dominicans would consider themselves to be black if being black came with pride. It doesnít and there are many people who are ashamed of it of which I canít blame them.
Africa doesn't need European anything, nor American. I never thought that all your point is on deaf ears. You're not black obviously, I'm extremely proud to be black. Sorry if you are to simple minded.
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The Sahara is a big divider. If I look at the statues the Egyptions made they don't look like Black people
Egypt was the only kingdom? Mmmm
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Dominican don't have pride in being black (despite sharing an island with obviously black people...but whatever) because of a propaganda campaign by Trujillo and a need to distance themselves from those who once occupied them. It's the result of brain washing. Has nothing to do with shame.
Thank you. It's the same in every former European colony, racism is rampant.
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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Africa doesn't need European anything, nor American. I never thought that all your point is on deaf ears. You're not black obviously, I'm extremely proud to be black. Sorry if you are to simple minded.

Egypt was the only kingdom? Mmmm

Thank you. It's the same in every former European colony, racism is rampant.

In a thread about Egypt... So yeah Egypt is the only Kingdom I was talking about
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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The Sahara is a big divider. If I look at the statues the Egyptions made they don't look like Black people
It wasn't always what it is now though. So, considering that people crossed it and continue to cross it for centuries, it may not have been as big of a divide like some may think it is.


An example: Musa, Mansa (1280-1337) | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed


Actually, learned about him, as well as the Mali, Ghana and Songhai empires in middle school.


More information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Saharan_trade
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Old 07-30-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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Afrocentrism is basically Nordicism dipped in chocolate.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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It's a false comparison I don't know how informed you are on this topic but there is a small segment of black Americans who go to great lengths to hijack cultures that are not theirs and claim they are the true descendants. They claim they are the real Hebrews, the real Moors, the real Egyptians, the real Carthaginians, the real Sumerians, etc etc etc these people insert themselves in discussions on the internet among people of those cultures where they clearly are not welcomed and stir up all kinds of chaos and spread ignorant lies. I've even seen some of these delusional confused whack jobs try to insert themselves into the history of the Iberian peninsula and try to tell our story from their psychotic perspective. They aren't welcomed and will always be viewed as hostile interlopers from my point of view. So I respectfully disagree with you about it being just a personal issue it's cultural warfare and they are the thieves.
There is little to know mention of West Africa or for that matter anything to do in Africa in k-12 education. So African Americans claiming all those identities wouldn't know much about Africa as a whole.

But then again, the "African American" identity is a creation of white America. There are very few 100% Africans among African Americans. Most of us do have a variety of ethnic groups in our family trees, and this is born out via genetic testing.

As to how people identity with the various aspects of their ancestry, and how they interact with it, that is entirely up to the individual.

Many African Americans do have some Jewish ancestry (via slavery) and further back during the empire of Mali there were Jewish people there. So for Africans or those of African descent who chose to identify with that side of their ancestry, they have every right to.

Also you really shouldn't comment on African Americans or other groups if you only have at best superficial or outsider knowledge.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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Dominican don't have pride in being black (despite sharing an island with obviously black people...but whatever) because of a propaganda campaign by Trujillo and a need to distance themselves from those who once occupied them. It's the result of brain washing. Has nothing to do with shame.
Stop stereotyping people. Are there self hating Dominicans? Yes. But many Dominicans are proud to be Black and are coming forward and saying so.

And while you do have Dominicans who bleach their skin (Sammy Sosa) the same is true of Michael Jackson and Lil Kim. Don't try to act like no African Americans suffer from self hate.

The Haitians and the Dominicans are essentially the same people. Spain colonized Hispanola and more or less worked the Natives to death. They brought in lots of African slaves. France invaded the island and managed to take the Western 1/3. And that's essentially the difference between the DR and Haiti. Go to the DR and you'll find lots of very Black (As in very dark skinned people).
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:27 PM
 
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Exactly. Our identity was stolen and hidden from us, and oral history is not always accurate. You hear your whole life, "We are part Native American," and it is assumed that we all have a white person in our family. So far, I haven't found any white ancestors (and I'm not looking for them ), although I did find a black ancestor with assets shortly after slavery, so I'm wondering if that person was the child of an owner. There were many different groups sold into slavery. They weren't just who we know as "African-Americans" today. Blacks are made to feel like trash because of slavery, but the colonizers knew EXACTLY who they were taking out of Africa to build their new world. And those people weren't uneducated and unskilled. By a long shot.


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There is little to know mention of West Africa or for that matter anything to do in Africa in k-12 education. So African Americans claiming all those identities wouldn't know much about Africa as a whole.

But then again, the "African American" identity is a creation of white America. There are very few 100% Africans among African Americans. Most of us do have a variety of ethnic groups in our family trees, and this is born out via genetic testing.

As to how people identity with the various aspects of their ancestry, and how they interact with it, that is entirely up to the individual.

Many African Americans do have some Jewish ancestry (via slavery) and further back during the empire of Mali there were Jewish people there. So for Africans or those of African descent who chose to identify with that side of their ancestry, they have every right to.

Also you really shouldn't comment on African Americans or other groups if you only have at best superficial or outsider knowledge.
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