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Old 06-21-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Dude, you just said a whole bunch of nothing. I'd rather listen to someone such as Dr. Yosef Ben Yochannan whose dedicated years to the study of Nile Valley culture than some random guy on an internet forum whom obviously has an agenda. I've merely presented theories but unlike yourself I don't pass off what I present as fact but a possibility. Also, the Hyksos were in Egypt for a significant period of time(over 100 years). The link you've posted didn't state specifically what mummies were studied for DNA samples, only a time span.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hyk...yptian-dynasty

Thus far, nothing you have presented has done much to substantiate your theory.
As I said, Yosef Ben Yochannan has a very poor reputation in the world of science. He has uttered too much bogus to be taken seriously...

Your own link confirms that those foreign Hyksos ruled for only 108 years when Egypt went through a weak phase. At the end of that they were defeated and kicked out. The Egyptians whose DNA was analyzed covered a whopping continuous 1800 years, though.

You can believe all you want, but your illusion of a black Egypt will be taken apart analysis by analysis, and by scientists, not self-declared racist historians with an agenda...
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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As I said, Yosef Ben Yochannan has a very poor reputation in the world of science. He has uttered too much bogus to be taken seriously...

Your own link confirms that those foreign Hyksos ruled for only 108 years when Egypt went through a weak phase. At the end of that they were defeated and kicked out. The Egyptians whose DNA was analyzed covered a whopping continuous 1800 years, though.

You can believe all you want, but your illusion of a black Egypt will be taken apart analysis by analysis, and by scientists, not self-declared racist historians with an agenda...
Dude, read the link you posted again.


"A study led by researchers at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History and the University of Tubingen in Germany managed to plug some of those genetic gaps. Researchers wrung genetic material from 151 Egyptian mummies, radiocarbon dated between Egypt's New Kingdom (the oldest at 1388 B.C.) to the Roman Period (the youngest at 426 A.D.), as reported Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications."

"This study left two gaps in the Egyptian timeline that Krause wants to fill, he said. It is not clear when the African gene flow, present in modern Egyptians, occurred. Nor could the study determine the origin of the Egyptians. “The other big question is, 'Where did the ancient Egyptians come from?' ” Krause said. To answer that, scientists will have to find genomes “back further in time, in prehistory.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2943319018d0

The study states clearly that the mummies sampled didn't span a period from 1388 BC-426 AD but between, which could be at any point during that time. So no, you're theory still hasn't been proven definitively, even the researchers state that clearly in the link.
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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Here's one problem for that Sudaneses minister:


"The Sudanese Minister of Information, Ahmed Bilal Othman, claimed on Sunday that the MeroŽ Pyramids of Sudan are 2,000 years older than Egypt's pyramids. The Sudanese government is working to prove this to the entire world, he added."

So basically this Sudanese minister is making a claim that hasn't been proven yet. So is it a good idea for him to claim that Nubia's pyramids are 2,000 years older than Egypt's when they are working on proving this claim?
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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I don't get your logic. It clearly says that the oldest mummy analyzed is from 1388 BC and the youngest from 426 AD, all the others from those 1800 years in between. Yet they found striking consistency in all those mummies. Are you suggesting that in between any two mummies there were genetic changes that were completely undone in the next mummy?

I don't think the ancient Egyptians came from anywhere else. They were probably locals closely related to all the others living along the North African and Middle-Eastern rim. When North Africa dried up 7000 years ago, they probably moved to the Nile where there was still reliable water. And the need for change and the population density might have sped up cultural evolution.
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:19 PM
 
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Here's one problem for that Sudaneses minister:


"The Sudanese Minister of Information, Ahmed Bilal Othman, claimed on Sunday that the MeroŽ Pyramids of Sudan are 2,000 years older than Egypt's pyramids. The Sudanese government is working to prove this to the entire world, he added."

So basically this Sudanese minister is making a claim that hasn't been proven yet. So is it a good idea for him to claim that Nubia's pyramids are 2,000 years older than Egypt's when they are working on proving this claim?
I suppose it is not so easy to forge evidence, it takes some time
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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I don't get your logic. It clearly says that the oldest mummy analyzed is from 1388 BC and the youngest from 426 AD, all the others from those 1800 years in between. Yet they found striking consistency in all those mummies. Are you suggesting that in between any two mummies there were genetic changes that were completely undone in the next mummy?

I don't think the ancient Egyptians came from anywhere else. They were probably locals closely related to all the others living along the North African and Middle-Eastern rim. When North Africa dried up 7000 years ago, they probably moved to the Nile where there was still reliable water. And the need for change and the population density might have sped up cultural evolution.
Not what I'm suggesting at all. I've merely stated that the links you've provided doesn't prove anything definitively, especially when talking about the origins of the Ancient Egyptians.

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Old 06-21-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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Here's one problem for that Sudaneses minister:


"The Sudanese Minister of Information, Ahmed Bilal Othman, claimed on Sunday that the MeroŽ Pyramids of Sudan are 2,000 years older than Egypt's pyramids. The Sudanese government is working to prove this to the entire world, he added."

So basically this Sudanese minister is making a claim that hasn't been proven yet. So is it a good idea for him to claim that Nubia's pyramids are 2,000 years older than Egypt's when they are working on proving this claim?
I've merely stating that there's a debate. As you may know, new archeological sites are being discovered along the Nile Valley everyday.

https://www.livescience.com/26903-35...ids-sudan.html

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Old 06-27-2017, 11:34 PM
 
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It's also funny how all Europeans(Nords, Swedes, Germans, Irish lol) will claim Greece and Rome as their ancestry then have the audacity to try and tell black people on what cultures they can and can't celebrate from Africa. GTFOH lol.
I think the difference here is that the Greco-Roman world had an influence on the development of western European culture that Egypt didn't have on other parts of Africa. It's through the Greeks and Romans that many Europeans learned writing and how to set up governments. No Egyptian influence is found in west,central and southern Africa. No west,central or southern Africans ever used Egyptian hieroglyphic writing or copied Egyptian architecture.
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Old 06-28-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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I think the difference here is that the Greco-Roman world had an influence on the development of western European culture that Egypt didn't have on other parts of Africa. It's through the Greeks and Romans that many Europeans learned writing and how to set up governments. No Egyptian influence is found in west,central and southern Africa. No west,central or southern Africans ever used Egyptian hieroglyphic writing or copied Egyptian architecture.
Of course Greco-Roman culture had an influence on Western civilizations, mainly through assimilation. Same with Blacks and Native Americans in the Western Hemisphere, though you'd be hard pressed to find these groups claiming to be Greco-Roman. I'm speaking mainly about nothern Europeans claiming Greece and Rome as ancestors not conquerers.
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Old 06-28-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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Of course Greco-Roman culture had an influence on Western civilizations, mainly through assimilation. Same with Blacks and Native Americans in the Western Hemisphere, though you'd be hard pressed to find these groups claiming to be Greco-Roman. I'm speaking mainly about nothern Europeans claiming Greece and Rome as ancestors not conquerers.
Again, I think you are confused. No Northern European person would ever claim that their ancestors were Romans.
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