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Old 11-15-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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Could there be light at the end of the tunnel for Zimbabwe?
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Old 11-15-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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The people currently overthrowing him are the very people who have long supported him and have enjoyed the spoils of the corrupt system he cultivated. This isn't motivated by any high-minded idealism but because the military's favorite guy to replace Mugabe was pushed aside for his wife, who represents a completely different power center clique. If Grace Mugabe had succeeded her husband, her circle of thieves would have had access to the spoils of government position instead of the men who had long assumed it would be them.


Mugabe was particularly incompetent in managing the affairs of his country and maybe the guy who replaces him will make better economic decisions. But full transition to democracy seems unlikely. Although, this could be the time for the international community to apply external pressure and work aggressively with democracy activists within Zimbabwe. I would pay close attention to how the new rulers deal with those political opposition figures and democracy activists who have been imprisoned and how they deal with the notion of a free press with government criticism.
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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The only hope for Zimbabwe is truly free and fair elections, and the removal of censorship. Emmerson Mnangagwa is likely to take over, and he is as much of a tyrant as Mugabe.

Emmerson Mnangagwa, a 'tyrant' in line to lead Zimbabwe - CNN


In positive news Morgan Tsvangirai, the former Prime Minister and opposition leader, returned from exile yesterday, and some people are cautiously optimistic about this event.


Morgan Tsvangirai: Former prime minister returns to Zimbabwe - BBC News
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Old 11-17-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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The only hope for Zimbabwe is truly free and fair elections, and the removal of censorship. Emmerson Mnangagwa is likely to take over, and he is as much of a tyrant as Mugabe.

Emmerson Mnangagwa, a 'tyrant' in line to lead Zimbabwe - CNN


In positive news Morgan Tsvangirai, the former Prime Minister and opposition leader, returned from exile yesterday, and some people are cautiously optimistic about this event.


Morgan Tsvangirai: Former prime minister returns to Zimbabwe - BBC News
Thank you for this update! If the army is trying to install their guy, what are the chances of elections putting Tsvangirai into office? I mean, even if he won by a landslide.....
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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It looks like Mugabe will have to escape earthly justice and live out his days a free man in order for a peaceful transition of power.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:57 PM
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Zimbabwe is going nowhere as long as Mugabe lives. Once he dies and his family/kin is successfully torn away from power, only then will a silver lining appear in the Zimbabwean horizon.
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Old 11-17-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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no.

I blame chinese money
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Old 11-18-2017, 02:31 AM
 
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The only hope for Zimbabwe is truly free and fair elections, and the removal of censorship. Emmerson Mnangagwa is likely to take over, and he is as much of a tyrant as Mugabe.

Emmerson Mnangagwa, a 'tyrant' in line to lead Zimbabwe - CNN

In positive news Morgan Tsvangirai, the former Prime Minister and opposition leader, returned from exile yesterday, and some people are cautiously optimistic about this event.

Morgan Tsvangirai: Former prime minister returns to Zimbabwe - BBC News
Your quite right, Mnangagwa would be nothing other than a step sideways. As TheArchitect said in post #2 this would seem to be a consolidation of power by the military rather than a sweeping aside of the old guard with the intent to install a full democracy.

Tsvangirai returning is definitely a positive but whether his arrival will be enough for him and his supporters to apply any influence on the proceedings of the next few weeks we'll have to wait and see. As a native, it would be good to the country rise to what it could/should be rather than continue in the sorry state that it currently is.
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Old 11-18-2017, 04:31 AM
 
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There will be hope once commercial farms are given back to their rightful owners. If they do something that bold it would be a good signal they're serious about cleaning up Bob's mess.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:16 AM
 
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The people currently overthrowing him are the very people who have long supported him and have enjoyed the spoils of the corrupt system he cultivated. This isn't motivated by any high-minded idealism but because the military's favorite guy to replace Mugabe was pushed aside for his wife, who represents a completely different power center clique. If Grace Mugabe had succeeded her husband, her circle of thieves would have had access to the spoils of government position instead of the men who had long assumed it would be them.


Mugabe was particularly incompetent in managing the affairs of his country and maybe the guy who replaces him will make better economic decisions. But full transition to democracy seems unlikely. Although, this could be the time for the international community to apply external pressure and work aggressively with democracy activists within Zimbabwe. I would pay close attention to how the new rulers deal with those political opposition figures and democracy activists who have been imprisoned and how they deal with the notion of a free press with government criticism.
Yea that ship sailed in the mid 70's
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