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Old 08-11-2018, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Central Washington
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I already know that many fellow Europeans will reject the idea that I will promote, but the main (if not the only) reason that Africa today is starving to death, and the main reason particular European countries are rich, is the colonialism previous centuries

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...lk-reparations

If countries like uk or france paid their debt to Africa, that would explode their national debts to 200% if not more of their GDP, but i think it's fair to pay it some day.

what do you think?
Africa is starving because of its leadership. Kenyan human-rights activist Makau Wa Mutau put it this way:
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Since independence in Africa, government has been seen as the personal fiefdom a leader uses to accumulate wealth for himself, his family, his clan. He cannot be subjected to criticism by anyone, and everything he says is final.'
And Nigerian writer Chicozie Obioma:
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Nigeria, the most populous black nation on Earth, is on the brink of collapse. The machineries that make a nation exist, let alone succeed, have all eroded. A culture of incompetence, endemic corruption, dignified ineptitude, and, chief among all, destructive selfishness and greed has played a major role in its unravelling. The same, sadly, can be said for most other African nations. States like Zimbabwe, Cameroon, and Equatorial Guinea are farcical democracies ruled by men who exclusively cater to their interests and those of their clipped circles.
https://archive.is/TLwzW

Here are seven examples of British aid being stolen or misused. So, is he right? UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom's comments have caused a storm - but there is ample evidence to back up his claims | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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Europe is paying dearly to Africa by accepting hordes of African immigrants (legal and illegal) into their countries.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Since when do victorious nations pay those they conquer? Did the Anglo Saxons pay the Celts? Did the romans pay reputations to any of the countless people they conquered? When strong developed nations come into contact with weak undeveloped peoples the result is usually the same throughout history. I am tired of Western Civilization being demonized for history. When our ancestors conquered they also brought civilization to these places. Medicine, roads, modern cities etc. Of course the America’s and Australia were permanently settled and they are all far better off for it. I refuse to be sorry for history or to feel guilty about being white. Actually I am just sick of all of this PC nonsense.
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:17 AM
 
Location: California
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Since when do victorious nations pay those they conquer? Did the Anglo Saxons pay the Celts? Did the romans pay reputations to any of the countless people they conquered? When strong developed nations come into contact with weak undeveloped peoples the result is usually the same throughout history. I am tired of Western Civilization being demonized for history. When our ancestors conquered they also brought civilization to these places. Medicine, roads, modern cities etc. Of course the America’s and Australia were permanently settled and they are all far better off for it. I refuse to be sorry for history or to feel guilty about being white. Actually I am just sick of all of this PC nonsense.
Whose asking you to feel guilty for being white? Nobody is asking that at all. People are simply stating that when is the subjugation enough? Is it right for the West to continuously steal resource from all over the world? The USA alone has overthrew governments in South America, the Middle East, and Africa on behalf of US Corporations which had catastrophic effects on those populations. I think people understand that war happens but we have now is over 700 years of theivery masked as philanthropy. Don’t other people on this planet have the right to self-determination? Because as of right now if you have resources the West wants you no longer have that right. This has nothing to do with you being white...it’s just right and wrong. If you’re comfortable with how things are now just have that same attitude when things flip and it’s a Chinese person doing the same to you. Remember, empires don’t last forever neither does dominance...the Nation that birthed Math, science, engineering, medicine, and etc was African and it influenced Greek which led to this hitting the west. So things change and believe that the barbarism you support will come back to you and if not you, your kids.
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:26 AM
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AMEN Deuterion! If I was a moderator, I would lock the thread after your post. Americans are so arrogant. What makes us think we won't succumb to the same fate as other empires? It's funny...kingdoms managed to exist for THOUSANDS of years in peace. Until invaders came. The way to win is PEACE, people. Not war. But you will learn. And those who don't believe in God...will learn. So enjoy your destructive nature while you're being allowed. Don't think for one second your "victories" are your own doing. That mindset is the beginning of the end for empires.
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Old 08-11-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Middle of the Pacific Ocean
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The debt that was forgiven is nothing compared to the crimes that have been committed from 17th to 20th century
You mean when Africans sold other Africans to Europeans and Arabs?

I'll give you colonialism, but it was for a relatively short period of time in the history of Africa (we're talking 40-60 years at most in most cases). That hardly is the cause of most of the ills inflicting the continent today.
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Old 08-11-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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Secondly, these “Kleptocrats” you are speaking on are propped up by the European governments...they are there to stop the people from rising up and nationalizing their industries.
Africa's more socialist oriented leaders don't have a good track record for freedom and development either.



"But from the very beginning, there was never any true freedom, justice or independence in Ghana. The whole thing was a charade!! The country was soon put under the scourge of the Preventive Detention Act (PDA) in 1958, giving the president the power to put any citizen in prison without trial, and Nkrumah progressively tightened the noose of dictatorship around the country with further draconian laws. Eventually, no law existed in the country because Nkrumah became the law unto himself. He could imprison anybody without trial for as long as ten years. He could appoint and sack judges at will. He effectively abolished pluralistic democracy and made himself a life president with untrammeled powers to run the country as his personal property..."

https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePa...umah-II-345191
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Old 08-11-2018, 04:34 PM
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AMEN Deuterion! If I was a moderator, I would lock the thread after your post. Americans are so arrogant. What makes us think we won't succumb to the same fate as other empires? It's funny...kingdoms managed to exist for THOUSANDS of years in peace. Until invaders came. The way to win is PEACE, people. Not war. But you will learn. And those who don't believe in God...will learn. So enjoy your destructive nature while you're being allowed. Don't think for one second your "victories" are your own doing. That mindset is the beginning of the end for empires.
Kan! I like all of the new (or suppressed) info that's coming out. Judgement will be very heavy man just sit back and do our thing.
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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Since when do victorious nations pay those they conquer? Did the Anglo Saxons pay the Celts? Did the romans pay reputations to any of the countless people they conquered? When strong developed nations come into contact with weak undeveloped peoples the result is usually the same throughout history. I am tired of Western Civilization being demonized for history. When our ancestors conquered they also brought civilization to these places. Medicine, roads, modern cities etc. Of course the America’s and Australia were permanently settled and they are all far better off for it. I refuse to be sorry for history or to feel guilty about being white. Actually I am just sick of all of this PC nonsense.

The Americas already had medicine, roads, and yes even modern cities. shock I know. In fact when the Spaniards first saw Tenochtitlan they were impressed by how beautiful it was. In fact at the time it was even bigger than London and Paris.

The Incas were the first to build the suspension bridge and had an elaborate system of roads and even surgery.

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Old 08-11-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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I think you're guilty of some serious wishful thinking.
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