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Old 07-05-2018, 12:21 AM
 
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Do you agree with his reasons for why African empires and kingdoms went into decline?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hveD5k6oXpA
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Old 07-05-2018, 01:04 AM
 
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Can you summarize that in something I can read in less than 18 minutes?
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Old 07-05-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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He touched on the Mali empire some. That empire and the Luba empire were able to better handle the diversity of their area. It seems to come down to how flexible the leaders are and of their governing system. Current day Africans can learn from the Mali and Luba empires.



"The Luba empire's expansion was due to its development of a form of government that was durable enough to withstand the disruptions of succession disputes and flexible enough to incorporate foreign leaders and governments. Based on twin principles of sacred kingship (balopwe) and rule by council, the Luba model of statecraft was adopted by the Lunda and spread throughout the region that is today northern Angola, northwestern Zambia, and southern Democratic Republic of Congo."

Kingdom of Luba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




"At its peak, the Mali Empire extended across West Africa to the Atlantic Ocean and incorporated an estimated 40 to 50 million people. The administration of such an enormous territory was formidable and relied on the establishment of a government sensitive to the diversity of the land, population and cultures and accepting of the indigenous rulers and their customs. What distinguished the empires of West Africa, particularly Mali and later Songhay, was their ability to centralize political and military power while allowing the local rulers to maintain their identities along side Islam..."

Mali Empire and Djenne Figures
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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That guy that made this video goes by the name 'Home Team' on youtube. He has some interesting videos that he's made dealing with various topics on African history. Check out his channel.
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Old 07-07-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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Just like how any past great empire ended, division within. America is headed down the same path as I type this.
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:38 AM
 
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Empires fall from a lack of advancement and adaptation. A long with division within.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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Empires fall from a lack of advancement and adaptation. A long with division within.
No.......


"lack of advancement" insist there were no type of advancement in African societies which would be a lie, As if Africa was in the stone age or some crap. Correction the societies were not as advance as Europe because of industrial revolution just happen in Europe. Not that wasn't anything advancement develop society. So got that bad.


Also there was no failed "to adaptation". This implies that Europe nations wanted to trade on equal footing and spread ideals in peace manner in Africa both of which would lies, in fact the opposite is true some African states wanted to "adapt" to more modern ideals European nations didn't care, the agenda of colonization is to exploited a feign land, not to aid it.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:09 AM
 
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No.......


"lack of advancement" insist there were no type of advancement in African societies which would be a lie, As if Africa was in the stone age or some crap. Correction the societies were not as advance as Europe because of industrial revolution just happen in Europe. Not that wasn't anything advancement develop society. So got that bad.


Also there was no failed "to adaptation". This implies that Europe nations wanted to trade on equal footing and spread ideals in peace manner in Africa both of which would lies, in fact the opposite is true some African states wanted to "adapt" to more modern ideals European nations didn't care, the agenda of colonization is to exploited a feign land, not to aid it.
The comment you're responding to I think was meant to apply to all empires, not just African ones.
It is not correct for you to say African societies were as advanced as European ones before industrialization. Outside of parts of West Africa and Ethiopia literacy was not widespread to the extent it was in Europe, and to my knowledge no African states outside of Ethiopia and Swahili coasts mint their own coin. Officials in empires like the Kongo or Bornu Kanem can't keep historical tax records or enforce detailed commercial contracts, things that can be done in most of Eurasian societies.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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African empires fell because the people entered into covenants with the Europeans. And that is still the reason Africa suffers today.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:56 PM
 
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The comment you're responding to I think was meant to apply to all empires, not just African ones.
It is not correct for you to say African societies were as advanced as European ones before industrialization. Outside of parts of West Africa and Ethiopia literacy was not widespread to the extent it was in Europe, and to my knowledge no African states outside of Ethiopia and Swahili coasts mint their own coin. Officials in empires like the Kongo or Bornu Kanem can't keep historical tax records or enforce detailed commercial contracts, things that can be done in most of Eurasian societies.
1. Even if you applied it all society it still doesn't make sense. Nations invade other countries with the intention of taking the land resources or something they they feel they can economically or political gain. It has nothing to do with whether a state do or don't want to adapt to new ideas, because if a state wanted to exploited other states it would it whether or not that state wanted to "adopt"

In fact The Kongo Empire and King Afonso I is a great example of this, He literally converted the Kingdom Catholic, and basically encourage Catholic mission work, And wrote a series letters to king of Portugal. Didn't stop Portugal invading.


2. This thread is about Africa so of course I read that post as it applied to Africa, But also the poster have a history of making weird comment. He believe Africa history is just backwards, he praise the idea colonization believing is was good for Africa, and every chance he get basically says he glad slavery happen so he can be born in the US it's very weird.

3. We speaking in generalization and your exploiting this to misrepresent what I said to make your point. Of course not all Africa was was equally develop that wasn't my point, his comment was general so my respond was back.

4. Every you said in post is minor stuff. The biggest difference between Europe and some African states was the industrialization. The age of enlightenment 1500 to 1700s there was slow adoption in some Europe societies that basically made Science more predominate in Europe before this middle ages states weren't that much different or far more advance then many Africans states. And Even this was mainly European Elite to a small farmer in an Ireland village in the 1600s there lives weren't much different then some living an African village in a West African state. What drastically change Europe and later the world was the industrialization.

But all these is a straw man to my original point toward him, Less advance and "lack of advancement" are not same thing. "lack of advancement insist there were no type of advancement in African societies which would be a lie, As if Africa was in the stone age or some crap. Correction the societies were not as advance as Europe because of industrial revolution just happen in Europe. Not that wasn't anything advancement develop society. "
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