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Old 12-16-2018, 08:52 PM
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If the African origins for the word Bomba can be found then this could indicate some of the African makeup of PR's enslaved population.
Yes. But from what region of Africa? My hunch is that there's some descendancy from the Mandinkas found in the current Ivory Coast region. We have that rhythmic drumming in us.
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:45 AM
 
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No such thing as passing as white. If they looked white then they are white. Being mixed with black doesn't mean you're Black.
Race is a social and not a biological construct so if these people were "passing" because they had close more obviously black relatives then this means that they were "black".

Being black means different things in different societies.
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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You'll notice no one is connected to tribes from western Uganda or south Sudan that still practice cannibalism or the Hazda tribe from northern Tanznia that is barely out of the stone
Setting aside whether specific Africans groups were or weren't cannibals (many Africans thought that Europeans were cannibals who were buying slaves to eat them) the fact us that virtually no one in the Americas is descended from any of these groups that you cite.

Various analyses have found that slaves to the Americas were brought in from West Central and West Africa.

Now to claim ancestry from one singular African ethnic group is a hoax given that blacks would be descended from enslaved peoples living on a plantation with origins from a broad swathe of places. Given that these ethnic identities disappeared after the first generation it is highly unlikely that people would be selecting as mates only those from a particular African ethnic origin.

If the origin of enslaves peoples interests you go to Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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This makes sense because Irish and blacks mixed and the Irish were treated like blacks before we became "black". .
There is a whole hidden narrative between blacks of the USA and Caribbean islands like Jamaica and Barbados and the Irish. I dont think that Irish Americans wish this to be explored but suffice to say that the banjo, an important instrument in the Appalachians was inspired by certain musical instruments brought in by enslaved peoples from the Senegambia/Mali region. There was significant cross pollination between these two groups.
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Its unlikely they would sell off their own tribesmen. .
This is a myth peddled by racists to justify slavery. The truth is that just as various European kingdoms and empires fought each other so did the various African equivalence. Initially slavery was about weakening the enemy by depriving them of their population.

When the slave trade (first with the Arabs across the Sahara, and then with the Europeans across the Atlantic) the slave trade became an "industry' from which wealth could be gained. Certain kingdoms like the Dahomey were based on slave trading.


A small % of enslaved peoples were also criminals or political prisoners that the various elites wanted to get rid of. But this notion of a greedy chief hitting one of his subjects on the head and selling them in exchange for beads is racist nonsense.
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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I have relatives who were classified as "white" and then later "black". How the heck does that happen?
Because race is a social construct. Not biological so depending on where one was and the ideology of that area would determine how they were perceived racially.

I am not aware that whites were involved in deciding the names that blacks should be called once we decided that being "Negro" was no longer acceptable. I am also not aware of the fact that people descended from American slavery uniformly agree as to what they should be called. I hear "black", "African American". "black American", and "People of Color".
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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I have black friends and co-workers who hate the term African-American, they have the same reasoning as me, they didn't grow up there, they were born and raised in the US and have been here for over a hundred years, much longer than most of my ancestors.
While they quite likely object to being called African American you bet that they have identities which dont include whites because daily they are reminded that most whites have identities which dont include them.

When many scream "Make America Great AGAIN" how many blacks identify with this? Was the USA great in the 1950s?

The USA is a nation divided by race and ethnic identities and to pretend otherwise is plain silly.
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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Interesting. I'm not familiar with any Native Americans who have oppressed black people for hundreds of years and earned the "privilege" of being able to tell black people about themselves. .
Well do some history reading and you will find out that there were Native groups who also owned black slaves. Also research what is going on today where some Native groups (some individuals looking very white) are attempting to exclude the black members of their tribe. They dont want blacks within their tribe.



https://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/14059...tions-decision
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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. Black Cubans may be largely Yoruba and Congolese people because of Santeria and Palo Mayombe. Black Brazilians are largely Yoruba,Angolan and Mozambique descendant because of Candomble and Capoeira from Angola. Black Jamaicans I think are largely Akan people of Ghana.
The survival of certain specific practices merely measures the ability of those practices to survive. In fact more slaves were brought into Cuba from the Bight of Biafra (SE Nigeria and Cameroons) than Bight of Benin (Yoruba and Dahomey).


Remember that the people enslaved were those from the weaker groups and so we really cannot tell their origins. The most that we know is which part of Africa they were shipped from.
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Old 12-19-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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No such thing as passing as white. If they looked white then they are white. Being mixed with black doesn't mean you're Black.
There was an all-white town in southern Ohio at the turn of the 1900s that had one man to marry a black woman and have children by her. All the other white towns around them declared all the residents of that town "black."

And "black" everyone in the town has been, and have considered themselves, for a hundred years until today, despite the fact that none of them looks the least bit black.

Pike County, OH: As Black as We Wish to Be - State of the Re:Union
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