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HOWEVER, there's still a lot of black americans that are below or close to the poverty line; especially in most US inner-cities. Even though these areas do not have the same type of problems that you would find in poor countries; they usually still have elevated crime-rates, gangs, low-performing schools, high unemployment and a very high percentage of single-parent homes. People from these areas are also overrepresented in the prison population.
While true, as the statistic certainly reflect such disheartening numbers. It's hard for someone to turn on the TV and not see a black millionaire playing sports, acting in a movie or tv show, being a hip hop musician, or politicking on DC as a politicians for the rights of blacks. The fact is that these opportunities for black to rise up the social ladder are unique to African Americans in the African diaspora. As well as the successful blacks we don't see on TV ( black doctors, lawyers, scientist, engineers, etc)
Yes, the statistics do not paint a very pretty picture of the African American community. But we can certainly debate on whether that has more to do with self-inflicting anti-intellectualism and absent father due to the tax and financial benefits of having kids out of wedlock in America's underclass or any outside oppressive forces.
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I would argue that blacks in Canada and Western Europe have similar if not slightly better prospects than blacks in the USA. The reason why is because: (1) Those countries have better social programs for those who need it, (2) Most of the black population there stems from recent immigrants so they are more likely to be driven and have an entrepreneurial spirit.
African immigrants are known to be more educated and successful regardless of where they are so I can't really comment too much on that.
The issue with blacks in Canada and Western Europe, as opposed to America, is again blacks in those countries don't have political power like in America. They don't have any civil rights movements. So being minority in those countries, you're still going to be on an "island" as opposed to America that has a massive black population by comparison. America has many laws in place for equal opportunity, affirmative action, race quotas, hate crime, etc. laws that are absent in the countries you've listed.
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One of the biggest advantages that the USA and Canada have over Europe is that the average middle class family can easily buy a nice big standalone home for cheap while it is hard to do the same thing in most of Europe (obviously overpriced cities like NYC, LA and San Francisco are exceptions to this).
Agreed.
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By region, I would say that the standard of living for blacks from best to worst is:
Canada>
Western Europe = United States (tie)>
Eastern Caribbean (ex: Barbados, Bahamas, Trinidad)>
Jamaica>
Southern Europe>
Latin America>
Southern Africa>
North Africa & Middle East>
Haiti>
West Africa = East Africa (tie)>
Interior Africa.
For Canada to surpass the United States, IMO, it would need a larger black community.
What inspires blacks the most is to see successful blacks, arguably America provides that platform more than any other country. I mean we just had 8 years of a black president.
Huh? Of course not. You're mixing up race and nationality. There is a name for the concept you're thinking of, known as intersectionality.
No, I'm talking about the African diaspora.
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There are different types of privilege - racial, nationality, financial, sexual orientation, education, etc.
Yes, and being an African American is one of them when we factor in the African diaspora.
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Which privilege dominates in a given setting depends entirely on the context.
1. Job interview? Financial and educational privilege.
2. Job application? Race.
3. Airport security? Race.
4. Airline security? Nationality. (Note the difference between #3 and #4).
5. Visa application (or lack thereof)?: Nationality.
1. You don't need finances to apply for a job. And uncle sam loans you money for your education
2. You're not allowed to put race on you job application.
3. Airport security, never been an issue for blacks
4. Airline security, never been an issue for blacks
5. Visa application. Ok now you're just getting off the subject.
We're not talking about intersecitonality or airline security. We're talking about the African diaspora.
Yes, and being an African American is one of them when we factor in the African diaspora.
black people in the US stopped being african when the global slave trade ended... white people here kept breeding black people to keep slavery going for another hundred years or so...
black people in the US shouldnt call themselves african american, they are nothing like africans outside of skin color
are house cats small lions because they both look similar outside of size?
black people in the US stopped being african when the global slave trade ended... white people here kept breeding black people to keep slavery going for another hundred years or so...
black people in the US shouldnt call themselves african american, they are nothing like africans outside of skin color
True.
But be that as it may, African Americans are still considered part of the African diaspora. You can't change that fact even if you want to make the argument that there's nothing African about African Americans.
This is straight from the source.
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African Diaspora is the term commonly used to describe the mass dispersion of peoples from Africa during the Transatlantic Slave Trades, from the 1500s to the 1800s. This Diaspora took millions of people from Western and Central Africa to different regions throughout the Americas and the Caribbean
I wouldn't even say African Americans have the same skin color. AA's are largely lighter than your average African (yes we know there are white Africans as well, obviously we're talking about black ones)
I believe we are. When we look at the numerous black communities (communities with descendants of African people) around the world, it's very clear that African Americans still have the highest standard of living, most opportunities for upward mobility, most political power, highest percentage of blacks in any 1st world developed country, greatest influence on global black culture (music, movies, sports, etc), and all the other benefits that comes with being a black person in America as opposed to another country.
According to wiki, the regions below have the highest percentage of African descendants from the African diaspora.
I'm sure a case could be made for blacks in Canada, U.K, or France but again, the black population in those countries pales in comparison to the black population in America.
At the end of the day, despite the notion that being an African American is "hard," we really have no room to complain once we look at the blacks in other countries and the lack of opportunities they have compared to us. African Americans can truly make a case of being the "white people" of the African diaspora.
For a dude who reads a lot of books you seem misinformed. You are as black as all other black nations and just like all black nations you suffer from the same fate of colonization and systemic oppression. You want to know why you live in a high standard society? Because America is a first world multi cultural nation. So comparing yourself living in a white multicultural nation to a place in Africa or the Caribbean where the countries are actually black is really silly and ignorant. For blacks in America to really be considered the whites of the black race they would at least have to be living on top in their society and African Americans are clearly not at the top in American society.
Oh yea I’m black also before anyone says anything.
I would say if needing to see black success is necessary for black people to succeed you see way more successful black people in Victoria Island and Lekki than anywhere in the U.S. in fact if we are talking about cities with the most successful black people that I’ve been in it goes something like.
Lagos- 2 million predominantly black middle class and wealthy folk (Their are more black billionaires in Lagos than outside Lagos)
London- 1 million+ mostly middle class to wealthy black folk
New York- maybe a million mostly wealthy/middle class black folk
Atlanta- around a million mostly wealthy/middle class black folk.
D.C
Houston
Dallas
Abuja
Johannesburg
Nairobi
Likely round out the top 10. I’m not super confident in my order, but their are way more wealthy black people in the nice parts of Lagos than anywhere in America, same with London.
I'd surely hope there'd be more wealthy blacks in a black nation with a black power structure and in a country where blacks weren't subject to slavery.
Yes, and being an African American is one of them when we factor in the African diaspora.
1. You don't need finances to apply for a job. And uncle sam loans you money for your education
2. You're not allowed to put race on you job application.
3. Airport security, never been an issue for blacks
4. Airline security, never been an issue for blacks
5. Visa application. Ok now you're just getting off the subject.
We're not talking about intersecitonality or airline security. We're talking about the African diaspora.
I believe we are. When we look at the numerous black communities (communities with descendants of African people) around the world, it's very clear that African Americans still have the highest standard of living, most opportunities for upward mobility, most political power, highest percentage of blacks in any 1st world developed country, greatest influence on global black culture (music, movies, sports, etc), and all the other benefits that comes with being a black person in America as opposed to another country.
According to wiki, the regions below have the highest percentage of African descendants from the African diaspora.
I'm sure a case could be made for blacks in Canada, U.K, or France but again, the black population in those countries pales in comparison to the black population in America.
At the end of the day, despite the notion that being an African American is "hard," we really have no room to complain once we look at the blacks in other countries and the lack of opportunities they have compared to us. African Americans can truly make a case of being the "white people" of the African diaspora.
Highest standard of living?
the life expectancy of US black males was 74, lower than almost all the countries on that list.
specially compared with black males in the English Caribbean.
Most political power?
THE ENGLISH CARIBBEAN most of the countries are self-govern black countries. they have 100% of the power.
Most opportunities for upward mobility?
well in THE ENGLISH CARIBBEAN countries all social classes are made out of blacks.
The point im trying to make is the US blacks cant claim any of those things just because they are riding the whites man wave.
Barbados, Bahamas, ect are the true and most complete example of black diaspora achievement in good government, self rule, high quality of life. not the US.
even Bermuda, a UK territory, enjoy great level of independence, it is self govern with it owns laws, immigration policy, currency, ect and it is the richest black country on earth. the (median) annual salary is about $85,000 us in Bermuda.
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