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Old 04-29-2019, 10:58 AM
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Uhm, I am trying to point out that ritual killings is
1.Murder and
2 is not just happening in Africa
3.and is not widely spread.

It without a doubt is ignorant wherever it is occuring. Ritual killings in Africa are as common as American ritual killings which is not common at all but does happen.
You have no way to quantify how common it is because the statistics are completely unreliable and corruption among police and local governing agencies across the continent are the norm not the exception.
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Old 04-29-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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and you know this because of a youtube video? Which countries in Africa have you been to where this is happening? Where you saw this for yourself or read the paper or it was talked about? Unless there is a war crime and murders are documented.

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Old 04-29-2019, 12:05 PM
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and you know this because of a youtube video? Which countries in Africa have you been to where this is happening? Where you saw this for yourself or read the paper or it was talked about? Unless there is a war crime and murders are documented.
Corruption is widely documented I don't think you're disputing that so there are no reliable statistics. There appear to be reliable reports related to Uganda and the government has made some concessions to appease external pressure from international organizations including some stipulations in the law that specifically address child sacrifice. Apparently they have a task force to investigate that includes on man and one motorcycle but with a miniscule budget and almost no oversight. I would imagine countries such as Uganda don't see much benefit in properly investigating this and collecting good statistics I don't see how that would help their tourism industry. I have no way of knowing what the actual numbers are but there appears to be enough smoke to indicate that it's much more prevalent than any Western Country as you seem to have implied that it was no more common than what we see in the west. I don't recall any reports of elected officials in the West ordering children to be sacrificed to ensure a win or individuals killing a child to ensure quick business success. It would be good to have more reliable information.
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Old 04-29-2019, 12:11 PM
 
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You aren't presenting any reliable information just spreading rumors about an entire continent that create an unnecessary fear and and myths about barbarism just to put down a continent.

Are murders more in the west or in Africa? There is data to support this. All governments are corrupt this is not unique to Africa or the United States.

If you were more specific to the regions this is occurring and why they are doing this that would be more helpful instead of making it look like it is wide spread throughout the continent as it is not common nor is it all throughout Africa. Uganda has band this practice so it is not acceptable there. Many countries have had similar practices throughout history doesn't make it right nor unique to Africa.

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Old 04-29-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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There are many cases of ritual/satanic killings (murder) throughout the world.
How common has the killing of Albino people been in other countries for their body parts? Albino people have been hunted and killed for their body parts because some people in some African cultures believe Albino body parts have magical powers.
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Old 04-29-2019, 04:24 PM
 
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bayarea-girl,

Have you heard of these baby killings?

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/...rituals-africa
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Old 04-29-2019, 05:09 PM
 
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I'm not an expert in the hunting/mistreatment of Albinos in Africa or around the world. They do make up a small portion of the 1.2 billion people in Africa. So I can't confirm or deny that there aren't incidents but this is not just an African issue and is not widespread across Africa but is more specific to certain regions. There are all kinds of reasons why people kidnap and hunt and dismember people which are not only African specific.

Tanzania has the highest population of Albinos for instance and is one of the places Albinos were mistreated the most but not all Tanzanians attacked Albinos or it wouldn't be a country that Albinos would continue to live in.

Miliment and killings of Albinos are illegal in most African countries.
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Old 04-29-2019, 06:19 PM
 
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bayarea-girl,

Have you heard of these baby killings?

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/...rituals-africa
Good article. It highlights, bay-are's point. A small minority of people. Especially the Bassaa-Komo people and them killing twins. In the same country the highest rate of twin birth worldwide occurs and the much bigger Yoruba ethnic group places twins very highly in their culture.

I have heard of ritual killings but the main thing, is, no they aren't culturally accepted, and if caught any killing in Nigeria leads to arrests. If I could give you statistics of the to of my head, Port Harcourt has been a hotspot for this type of crime, and murder in most of the African continent while higher than Europe and Asia is much lower than most people expect.

Murders are much lower in most Nigerian cities than you would expect. For example Port Harcourt has on average 91 for roughly 700,000 people in the LGA.

Which is roughly 13 murders per 100,000 (it's probably closer to 20 per 100,000 once you include deaths due to domestic violence). This is one of the most violent pars of Nigeria not including Boko Haram or Fulani Herdsmen attacks.

Ritual sacrifice is a fraction of that, again that is really only a localized issue and you will max hear about it in that entire city a few times a year. Regular crime is a much more pressing and rampant issue.

https://www.omicsonline.org/influenc....php?aid=17074

https://www.ndpifoundation.org/wp-co...vers-State.pdf

Cult violence isn't ritual sacrifice, it's akin to Gang Violence in America but with it's own uniquely Nigerian tinge. It occurs much less frequently than gang violence in America and the death tolls when it does occur is much higher than it is in America.

250 for 7.3 million people in gang violence (cult violence). Roughly 3.4 murders per 100,000. most crime in Rivers outside Port Harcourt is gang violence so the rea rate is likely somewhere between 3.4 and 10 murders per 100,000. Take in mind ritual sacrifice will make up only a minority of cult murders and an even smaller percent of all murders.

https://knoema.com/atlas/Nigeria/Homicide-rate

So even at highest estimates that it is something at that is way less than 10% of all homicides. But just to show you how rare it is. 10% of Africa's rate is roughly 1.25 murders per 100,000, or the equivalent of the U.K's homicide rate. This is without taking out countries like Namibia, Botswana and South Africa which have high rates of gang violence and murder much more in line with South America than the rest of Africa which doesn't suffer from gang violence in the same way SA, USA and South America suffers from it.

Either way it is much less than the over the top estimate of 10% of all murders being due to rituals.

Of course in certain communities like one were all twins are killed at birth or all people with deformities the rate would be much higher.

But as bay-area says, if it was truly as common as they say it is why does Tanzania and Africa have the highest rate of albinos as a whole if their kill all of them. Or Nigeria have the highest rate of twins if they kill all of them. These are extremely localized incidents that happen in small ethnic groups that isn't culturally accepted out of those countries.

It's like the proportion of people over 6'5 in the U.S vs. China. It's rare n the U.S, it's a whole nother version of rare in China, Either way it's not common.

For example in El Salvador with the highest murder rate in the world, the actual population of murder victims is 1/100. You'll certainly know someone who has been murdered if your mildly friendly, but that doesn't mean murder isn't "rare".
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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Alright we've established that these harmful customs aren't practiced by most people on the African continent.

So the question is,what is the solution to getting those people who do practice these bad customs to stop?
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Old 04-30-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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Nigeriannightmare you have put things most eloquently.

Motion, there have been steps to put into place to stop ritual killings but no one can really stop people from doing anything if they truly want to harm people. In the USA or any part of the world you can't stop a serial killer from killing. Bad things happen everywhere.
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