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View Poll Results: Of the top 10 most powerful emerging African countries, which one do you root for its success the mo
Egypt 1 3.57%
Nigeria 10 35.71%
South Africa 2 7.14%
Ethiopia 4 14.29%
Algeria 0 0%
Morocco 2 7.14%
Kenya 3 10.71%
Ghana 5 17.86%
Tanzania 1 3.57%
CŰte d'Ivoire 0 0%
Voters: 28. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-09-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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lol... Yea CORRUPT Black Billionaires. No thanks.
You talk about corrupt black billionaires but then root for Nigeria which has some of the most filthiest and corrupt billionaires there.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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Kanonka,

It has been proven that in the 90's when shifts of power changed that farm murders was at its peak. Black farmers are also attacked. Farmers aren't attacked because the Africans want to kill them because of their skin rather in most cases it is related to robberies where the black SA who work on the farms also get killed. You know I've already posted these stats.

South Africa. In 2017-2018, there were 62 murders on farms in South Africa. Out of a total population of more than 800,000 farm residents, thatís about 5.7 murders per 100,000 people. By contrast, nationally the rate is 35.8 murders per 100,000 people. The controlling class (white people) are living good lives.

Stop your genocide nonsense learn how to work harmoniously with others. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...u-whole-truth/
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:37 AM
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Kanonka,

It has been proven that in the 90's when shifts of power changed that farm murders was at its peak. Black farmers are also attacked. Farmers aren't attacked because the Africans want to kill them because of their skin rather in most cases it is related to robberies where the black SA who work on the farms also get killed. You know I've already posted these stats.

South Africa. In 2017-2018, there were 62 murders on farms in South Africa. Out of a total population of more than 800,000 farm residents, thatís about 5.7 murders per 100,000 people. By contrast, nationally the rate is 35.8 murders per 100,000 people. The controlling class (white people) are living good lives.

Stop your genocide nonsense learn how to work harmoniously with others. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...u-whole-truth/
Whites still disproportionately control wealth in South Africa, but they are hardly among the political controlling class, which is now firmly in the hands of blacks via the African National Congress political party (and has been for decades now).
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Old 08-09-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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prospectheightsresident

Where do we differ? The whites control the wealth and the black So African run the politics I didn't write anything to the contrary. Without wealth what is the government controlling? There is a huge disparity in equality when 1% of the population has 70% of a country's wealth no matter who is elected in the government. This means that industries control the Rand and not the government. At the end of the day although the blacks run the politics there are too many black SAs still impoverished (SA is not the only nation in Africa dealing with wealth/income disparities).
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:00 PM
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prospectheightsresident

Where do we differ? The whites control the wealth and the black So African run the politics I didn't write anything to the contrary. Without wealth what is the government controlling? There is a huge disparity in equality when 1% of the population has 70% of a country's wealth no matter who is elected in the government. This means that industries control the Rand and not the government. At the end of the day although the blacks run the politics there are too many black SAs still impoverished (SA is not the only nation in Africa dealing with wealth/income disparities).
You wrote that whites are the "controlling class." But things are more nuanced than that. And while whites disproportionately control wealth, they do not control wealth as a whole, whereas they are effectively wiped out of political control in the country. But note that's personal wealth we are referring to. By controlling politics, blacks control wealth in a significant way via the tax authority, both the authority to impose and to allocate, along with everything that goes along with allocation. With political power also comes the power to regulate and the power to assign jobs (specifically the millions of government jobs) and benefits, which blacks receive preference over whites in receiving via official government policy.

Moreover, via control of the political process, blacks control the arm of legal enforcement, to include the police and military power. To make blacks seem like they are not in control in South Africa is incorrect in my view.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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prospectheightsresident

First I was pointing out to another poster that the white genocide is ridiculous in SA. White SAs are of an elite and wealthiest group in the country.

I agree with you in a sense. But to your point, just because in government the face is of color doesn't mean much. Many government jobs can be given and taxes can be executed to help black Africans but the number of black africans in political power is less than the white elite. The white elite can and do work with political figures to protect their interests. In addition the black SA is still impoverished. Government can boost industries but they have little to do with developing them.
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Old 08-09-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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I think South Africa should have a government encouraging more blacks to start businesses in sectors that either need to be developed or are only developed to an extent and mostly smaller firms. South Africa's economy isn't a developed one, so opportunities should abound in several sectors to those that can see them, which naturally will not be everybody. One man's trash is another his diamond in the rough. The difference here is recognizing the opportunity where most people see nothing or worse. Within a good 20 years there should be a thriving business class in several sectors composed by leading black businessmen that are not related to the government.

As for the businesses developed by the whites in several aspects of the economy, the best solution is to simply let them do what they have gain a know how for several generations. In a country like South Africa with the recent history it has, government can put racial quotas but ruining most of those sectors due to the color of the skin doesn't seem too bright. Africa has many examples where this was done, the most recent is Zimbabwe, and all became disasters. That's not a good model for South Africa to take.

Long term economic commitment to better the average person's lives is better than short term gains which are mostly emotional than economics.

South Africa also needs to do something about its porous borders. A country that is flooded by foreigners with no real skills, like South Africa has seen in the last few decades, will never fully develop. A country can absorb the current influx, but whether their group will achieve a wellbeing depends if the migration flow is at least under control. Disaster have and do happen. History and the world has plenty for anyone that is interested in learning from them.
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Old 08-09-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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AntionioR

The communication was started by a poster that stated that there is white genocide. It was pointed out that whites there own the wealth and that the blacks run the policies. White people in SA are living good lives much better than the rest of the population.

White SAs should continue to run their business it only helps the country. But more blacks should be given opportunities to run businesses and or work otherwise they continue the cycle of poverty. I do think more SA blacks should be hired/trained not only in business but how to save money. The crime rate drops when people are making $.

There is a terrible trash problem in Africa, in SA the same can be said. Why not hire the impoverished or better yet let them bid to work in parks and recreation and sanitation? Those that benefited during apartheid should be taxed fees that go into redevelopment plans that the black SAs can use to turn and redevelop their neighborhoods as no SA should be living in shacks.
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Old 08-10-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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What you are offering sounds like a fine plan, just be aware that with a per capita income of over $13,000 a country will not have the enough money to give everyone a good enough lifestyle. Atthat income level even with zero inequality, which in real life is impossible, a country will not have its population living well.

A country needs to grow its income over time and the way to achieve that is through long term economic growth and long term population growth. Generally the highest of the first and the lowest of the second is preferable. If over the long term a country's economy grows less than its population growth, that place is screwed regardless how someone slice it.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/sf.html
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Old 08-10-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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AntionoR,

I don't represent SA's government and I don't believe in anything the CIA publishes. Am not an expert on SA, but in many places in Africa $13k annually is more than enough to live comfortably. Shelter, food, education and the opportunity to work mobilizes an economy.
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