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Old 03-17-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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Some African countries do have problems, nobody can deny that. But white people are not the solution. Blacks are just as bright as whites, they can get their act together. Which does not mean they will become like Europe or the US, but that cannot be the goal. After all it is a totally different culture. They have to find their own, African way.

 
Old 03-17-2009, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Springfield MO
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Neuling: So you believe the Brits/French Pioneers etc were justified in Invading the USA and taking the land from its rightful owners? By what right? Exploration of "new" continents was part of the colonization. Can you justify "reservations"? Wasn't that the white man stealing the best land for himself and putting the "rightful owners" on poor, unproductive land and letting him be without providing them the elements to generate productive farming?
Somehow, I see a bit of poor analysis. The pioneers in Africa did what they did in the USA. But there was less resistance, and not the ethical conflicts, determination, numbers to adequately defend their land rights/authority and self preservation by having superior firearms to defend their soverignity over their land.
So blacks have a right to be racist? ML King defended the rights of blacks through a majorly negotiated deal, got support from the white population, and resolved the problem in a white nation, where he was defending a minority. Blacks got over it. Whites got over it. Everyone else got over it. America got over it. Africa can't get over it.
Unfortunately the only way things are negotiated in Africa are with an AK-47, through intimidation, starvation, corruption, and the destruction of the tribe in opposition. Only a numbered few countries in Africa can live in harmony amongst the ethnicities that make up their nation. Mainly because of acts of genocide/destruction that have put their ethnic group as the majority.
By the way.....the original "owners" of the Cape were the bushmen/hottentots. The blacks commited horrific acts of violence against these people, - why;- because they were the minority and the bushman (Koi and Xai Xai) has it in his culture that he cannot take the life, fight or draw the blood of another human being. The blacks invading the sub continent from the north made sure that there was no opposition and took advantage of this fact to their benefit.
The Cape was settled by Dutchman Jan van Riebeek in 1652 under orders that no-one was to leave the security of the "castle" below Table mountain for a distance that exceeded 10 leagues. His role was to provide supplies to ships passing by the Cape on their trips to the east to bring back "spices" (read opium, hasish etc - amongst other things) and thus eliminate scurvy which was having devastating effects on the Dutch/British/Portuguese sailors. There were only a few incidents with the hottentots where conflictual situations arose. The bushman was interpreted as being non-conflictive and thus left alone.
And as for the Africans having the right to Quote "ruin Africa as they wish" Unquote..... hmm....Maybe we should have thought about that before Kosovo, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel, etc and not taking such an active participation in whats going on in the rest of the world?
The African debacle started with the CIA screwing around in affairs it was not familiar with and did not understand the culture of the people they were up against. The same thing is happening in Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran...and other conflict areas such as Somalia, Congo, Ivory Coast etc...how many troops going there are educated on the "culture" of their enemy or the country they are invading.? I feel sorry for those young men and women in uniform who go in and believe that all their enemies eat at McDonalds, have a pc in their home, Drive SUV's, recognise women's rights, and can live off Social Security if things go horribly wrong.
 
Old 03-17-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Default This Nobel Prize Winner Agrees ...

... with some of the viewpoints here. (He also got in BIG TROUBLE for it.)

Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners
Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners - Science, News - The Independent

The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks "in full". Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".

His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."


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If he is right and these genes (as per the bolded sentence) are found, how will that affect arguments like this?
 
Old 03-17-2009, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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bottom line, its their country,--- going from tribal to 21 century is a quick change. but can a people run their own country, i think so--- but not the way we want it done. how bout can we run our own? america loves to talk about the people down the street and get in their business. meanwhile who got the credit cards in your house, go ahead who gotem. yeah i thought so.
What he said above!
 
Old 03-17-2009, 12:20 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Originally Posted by DBCC View Post
Neuling: So you believe the Brits/French Pioneers etc were justified in Invading the USA and taking the land from its rightful owners? By what right? Exploration of "new" continents was part of the colonization. Can you justify "reservations"? Wasn't that the white man stealing the best land for himself and putting the "rightful owners" on poor, unproductive land and letting him be without providing them the elements to generate productive farming?
Somehow, I see a bit of poor analysis. The pioneers in Africa did what they did in the USA. But there was less resistance, and not the ethical conflicts, determination, numbers to adequately defend their land rights/authority and self preservation by having superior firearms to defend their soverignity over their land.
So blacks have a right to be racist? ML King defended the rights of blacks through a majorly negotiated deal, got support from the white population, and resolved the problem in a white nation, where he was defending a minority. Blacks got over it. Whites got over it. Everyone else got over it. America got over it. Africa can't get over it.
Unfortunately the only way things are negotiated in Africa are with an AK-47, through intimidation, starvation, corruption, and the destruction of the tribe in opposition. Only a numbered few countries in Africa can live in harmony amongst the ethnicities that make up their nation. Mainly because of acts of genocide/destruction that have put their ethnic group as the majority.
By the way.....the original "owners" of the Cape were the bushmen/hottentots. The blacks commited horrific acts of violence against these people, - why;- because they were the minority and the bushman (Koi and Xai Xai) has it in his culture that he cannot take the life, fight or draw the blood of another human being. The blacks invading the sub continent from the north made sure that there was no opposition and took advantage of this fact to their benefit.
The Cape was settled by Dutchman Jan van Riebeek in 1652 under orders that no-one was to leave the security of the "castle" below Table mountain for a distance that exceeded 10 leagues. His role was to provide supplies to ships passing by the Cape on their trips to the east to bring back "spices" (read opium, hasish etc - amongst other things) and thus eliminate scurvy which was having devastating effects on the Dutch/British/Portuguese sailors. There were only a few incidents with the hottentots where conflictual situations arose. The bushman was interpreted as being non-conflictive and thus left alone.
And as for the Africans having the right to Quote "ruin Africa as they wish" Unquote..... hmm....Maybe we should have thought about that before Kosovo, Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel, etc and not taking such an active participation in whats going on in the rest of the world?
The African debacle started with the CIA screwing around in affairs it was not familiar with and did not understand the culture of the people they were up against. The same thing is happening in Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran...and other conflict areas such as Somalia, Congo, Ivory Coast etc...how many troops going there are educated on the "culture" of their enemy or the country they are invading.? I feel sorry for those young men and women in uniform who go in and believe that all their enemies eat at McDonalds, have a pc in their home, Drive SUV's, recognise women's rights, and can live off Social Security if things go horribly wrong.
I don't know why you suggest that I think the Brits etc. were justified in invading North America and whatever you wrote. Really, I don't know what it is, maybe putting words into other people's mouths and deliberately not understanding are a kind of sport these days...

As far as the Bushmen, San etc. on the one hand and the Bantus on the other hand, as I have said, it is up to them to settle their issues. Both Bantus and Bushmen have managed to survive well without white people interfering. By the way, Bantus were quite good at agriculture, that is why they were so successful. Bantus are very diverse, as diverse as Europeans. There is just no justification to generalize. We tend to think all black people are the same because they seem so similar to our 'white' eyes.
 
Old 03-17-2009, 12:26 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but View Post
... with some of the viewpoints here. (He also got in BIG TROUBLE for it.)

Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners
Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners - Science, News - The Independent

The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks "in full". Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".

His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."


********

If he is right and these genes (as per the bolded sentence) are found, how will that affect arguments like this?
The problem about that theory is that the differences in intelligence are very minute and depend largely on the education etc. of the individual regardless of his or her ethnicity. The brain is a very flexible organ. There are scientists who say that the human brain has not really changed for the past 20,000 years. You might take a stone-age kid to the present (like in a time machine) and chances are he or she will just as likely go to college and work in a high-tech profession later on.

This might be an interesting article for those to read who think Africans are less intelligent.

Last edited by Neuling; 03-17-2009 at 12:47 PM..
 
Old 03-17-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Neuling View Post
Yes, and the white guy standing next to him also sings to kill whites There are so many racist people on youtube, how can you seriously believe those subtitles? Didn't you follow the Obama election campaign?

I believe the man standing next to him is Joe Slovo. A Lithuanian Jew communist hardly counts as a White man.

Also, you claim to be White, yet you are working overtime to detriment and destroy your own people. There are always people who are willing to sellout their own to line their pockets or improve their position of power. Why do you think so many African tribal chiefs sold their own people to Arabs and Europeans?

Have you ever heard of treason?
 
Old 03-17-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Neuling View Post
The problem about that theory is that the differences in intelligence are very minute and depend largely on the education etc. of the individual regardless of his or her ethnicity. The brain is a very flexible organ. There are scientists who say that the human brain has not really changed for the past 20,000 years. You might take a stone-age kid to the present (like in a time machine) and chances are he or she will just as likely go to college and work in a high-tech profession later on.

This might be an interesting article for those to read who think Africans are less intelligent.

The average IQ in Equatorial Guinea is 59, well below the level of retarded. The average IQ in Austria is 102. It's not plausible to expect the average person from Equatorial Guinea to be able to perform at the level of the average person from Austria.
 
Old 03-17-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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I believe the man standing next to him is Joe Slovo. A Lithuanian Jew communist hardly counts as a White man.

Also, you claim to be White, yet you are working overtime to detriment and destroy your own people. There are always people who are willing to sellout their own to line their pockets or improve their position of power. Why do you think so many African tribal chiefs sold their own people to Arabs and Europeans?

Have you ever heard of treason?
That happens whenever there are greedy people. Already happened in Rome...

Destroy my own people? Hm, I guess I am just beyond that stage, way beyond. My girlfriend is black (and sharp as a knife, hard to keep up with her sometimes), and we might have lovely mixed-race children one day
 
Old 03-17-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles View Post
The average IQ in Equatorial Guinea is 59, well below the level of retarded. The average IQ in Austria is 102. It's not plausible to expect the average person from Equatorial Guinea to be able to perform at the level of the average person from Austria.
I wonder how come you know the IQ of Equatorial Guinean people? Would you like to share your sources with us?
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