Birmingham vs. Mobile (Huntsville, Decatur, Florence: home, motel, work)

[chj]

I am from southern alabama and I am glad that mobile is growing like it is but I don't think mobile will ever pass birmingham as the top city in the state. I think mobile can pass huntsville one day but not birmingham.

[southernnaturelover]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Ah. Thanks. And growing.

Put Anniston, Gadsden, and Tuscaloosa into the mix (Which is to be expected in the next census), and the GDP grows to 61,995, 5 times larger than Mobile or Montgomery and almost 4 times larger than Huntsville.

I don't think it's fair to include Gadsden in the Birmingham metro area, it's two counties away. That would be the equivalent of Mobile claiming Biloxi, Gulfport, and Pensacola in it's own statistics.

[cpg35223]

Originally Posted by southernnaturelover

I don't think it's fair to include Gadsden in the Birmingham metro area, it's two counties away. That would be the equivalent of Mobile claiming Biloxi, Gulfport, and Pensacola in it's own statistics.

It's not a matter of being adjacent. After all, Cullman county and Chilton county are already figured into the Birmingham statistical area. It's all based on commuters, and no different than Atlanta. A higher number of people in Gadsden are making the slog into the Birmingham metro area. It's only a matter of time before Gadsden is figured into the Birmingham metro market, too.

[Bama`s Port]

Now that is one thing i don`t get why does Mobile CSA only consist of 2 counties and B-ham 7 or 8 not shure, Huntsville CSa - 5 counties , Montgomery CSA -4 counties. Mobile forumers on here will strongly agree with me that a lot of coastal Mississippi counties commute to Mobile heavely for shopping,jobs,healthcare, etc. There are even Mississippi kids that attend shools in west Mobile not because of Hurricane Katrina that was going on well before than.


[b][Here is a topic about why other counties are not included in Mobile`s CSA that I posted on another website and the reaction I got from it was surprising.
/B]


The Birmingham area have 8 or 9 counties in there CSA with 1.2 million

Huntsville CSA has 5 counties - population 520,000

Montgomery`s CSA has 4 Counties population around 400,000 +

Mobile CSA only 2 counties population 570,000 +

Living in Mobile I notice several Greene County,Jackson County, and Harrison County Mississippi tags that work and shop in Mobile. As the city of Mobile continue to annex west our metro will sprawl over into Mississippi. The Tanner Williams area is an unincorpoareted area but it has a population of well over 60,000. Mobile County is a very close neighbor of both Jackson and Greene County , Miss

I also noticed several ,of course Baldwin County tags,Washington County,and Escambia County, Alabama Tags that work and shop heavily in Mobile as well especialy with the new industry.

The Mississippi County 2006 demographics are :

Harrison County - 193,810

Jackson County - 135,940

Green County -13,299

The Alabama 2006 County demographics are :

Mobile county -404,812

Baldwin county - 165,987

Washington county -17,773

Escambia county -38,082

Over all Mobile 6 county CSA Poulation - 967,716 it`s now 2008 and should be a little over 1 million i`m estemating around 1,020,000. What will it take for the U.S Census to include these Counties in Mobile`s CSA and what if Escambia County ,Fl (Pensacola)- 294,410 is included in Mobile`s CSA the population would be a whopping 1,262,126 .Based on the 2006 U.S Census ,but since it`s 2008 it would realy be around 1.3 million.

Somebody please inform me on this !!!



This is what another poster from Mobile who replied to this topic thought of what Mobile CSA should consit of Vs. my thoughts.

I have looked on a few sites and now, they are only including Mobile County in the MSA for Mobile. Once the Eastern Shore got to be what it is, it broke off into its own MicroSA. What i want to know is why Baton Rouge, which shows a MSA of 750,000 can include 9 surrounding Parishes, and just not have a CSA, but Mobile can only have one county included in its MSA. I know of myself, many people who either live in Mobile and work in Miss. or live in Miss. and work in Mobile, and the same for Washington and Clarke Counties, and of course eastern Baldwin County. I think with Mobile's economy booming like what its projected to do the next 5 years, they should start to include atleast part of Baldwin, Jackson, George, Greene, Washington, and Clarke Counties.

Harrison and Hancock Counties in Miss are separate and their own MicroSA for sure... but there are plenty of commuters to Pascagoula and Gautier, and other places north of there just across the state line.

I think if Mobile were more centrally located within the state, it would have included them, but since it crosses state lines, they aren't including it...which is dumb since plenty of other cities do that...


Here's what i think the Mobile MSA and other MSA's should and/or are including in the area...I'd like any comments/suggestions!

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another look...

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accordin to his outline our CSA would or should be at 823,228 according to the 2006 census with it being 2008 I would say that it would have been around 900,000 now.

Mobile is being cut short in terms of CSA population . I know that some of Chicago`s CSA are in Indiana, Cincinnati`s CSA takes up some parts of kentucky and Dallas will be sprawling over in Oklahoma soon. So state is not the issue. Mobile county touches 3 of Mississippi`s counties and is 40 minutes from Florida with no I -10 bottlenecked rush hour traffic. We need I-10 from Mississippi all the way to Florida to be widend badly.

[kevin_1975]

I just came in from I 10. It is bad all day.

[Bravo35223]

The criteria for including a given county in an MSA, include the "net number of work in-commuters" to/from closeby counties.

Said differently, if the number of commuters from a suburban county into a 'central county' is large, then the suburban county will be included in the MSA.

Birmingham's MSA is a case study. It includes Shelby, St. Clair, Blount, and Walker which border Jefferson County and in each case, these counties have very large numbers of residents who work in Jefferson County. Also includes Chilton County, which DOES NOT border Jefferson County. Commuters in Chilton County must pass through Shelby County to get to Jefferson. Nonetheless, statistics show that large numbers of residents of Chilton County work in Jefferson County.

Now to illustrate the point even clearer. Tuscaloosa County is contiguous with Jefferson County, but is NOT included in the Birmingham metro. And it is easy to see why. Very few Tuscaloosa County residents communte to Jefferson County. Tuscaloosa County has its 'own economy', therefore despite the fact that it is much closer to Jefferson County than Chilton County, it is not included in the Birmingham MSA.

This is the same case with Escambia County Florida relative to Mobile. Very very few people from Pensacola pass all the way through Baldwin County to work in Mobile County....and I would suspect the same with the Mississippi Counties. They work in the shipyards and casinos there.....

What I think will indeed happen when Thyssen Krupp starts up, is that Washington County is going to grow quite a bit and be included in the Mobile SMSA.....

[southernnaturelover]

There many people in Escambia County, AL that commute to Mobile to work. What I have noticed though is that they don't spend their money there, they go to Pensacola for shopping because of less traffic. You'd be surprised at how much money is earned in Mobile, but it goes into Florida's economy.

[Bama`s Port]

Originally Posted by Bravo35223

The criteria for including a given county in an MSA, include the "net number of work in-commuters" to/from closeby counties.

Said differently, if the number of commuters from a suburban county into a 'central county' is large, then the suburban county will be included in the MSA.

Birmingham's MSA is a case study. It includes Shelby, St. Clair, Blount, and Walker which border Jefferson County and in each case, these counties have very large numbers of residents who work in Jefferson County. Also includes Chilton County, which DOES NOT border Jefferson County. Commuters in Chilton County must pass through Shelby County to get to Jefferson. Nonetheless, statistics show that large numbers of residents of Chilton County work in Jefferson County.

Now to illustrate the point even clearer. Tuscaloosa County is contiguous with Jefferson County, but is NOT included in the Birmingham metro. And it is easy to see why. Very few Tuscaloosa County residents communte to Jefferson County. Tuscaloosa County has its 'own economy', therefore despite the fact that it is much closer to Jefferson County than Chilton County, it is not included in the Birmingham MSA.

This is the same case with Escambia County Florida relative to Mobile. Very very few people from Pensacola pass all the way through Baldwin County to work in Mobile County....and I would suspect the same with the Mississippi Counties. They work in the shipyards and casinos there.....

What I think will indeed happen when Thyssen Krupp starts up, is that Washington County is going to grow quite a bit and be included in the Mobile SMSA.....

Bravo you made a good point pensiciola is a little iffy but , Mississippi is not they should be included in our CSA population. Misssissippi residents from Jackson, Greene ,george,clarke and harrisson counties travel heavily in mobile . the population of those counties especialy jackson and harrison county are to large for just casinos. Those people work in Mobile and shop. You can not go any were in Mobile with out seeing these tags. you hust can not. Mobile forumers on here know exactly what i`m talking about . Jackson,Greene, and clark counties touch Mobile county and several of there kids attend Mobile County public shools out in the west. The whole count yis Mobiles metro so why wouldn`t they include them. Washington county (65) tag number for Mobile forumers they commute to mobile heavily. Washington County ony has a (2006) population of over 17,000 people there is nothing in washington county so why wouldint they shop, and work in Mobile county.The same is said for the other Mississippi counties.

I am a student in Huntsville, and when I come home It just amaze me of how crowded Mobile streets can get at times. The population of Mobile feels a lot bigger than what is projected . it does not feel like a city with a metro of over 570,000 ppl. It feels more like a city with a metro of around 800,000 like it should be.


There is no Mobile forumer on this sit or any chat thread from City-data,Skyscraperpage,Skyscrapercity,or Urbanplanet. will disagree with me on this Bldwin County forumers will tell you the same thing.

[southernnaturelover]

Originally Posted by Bama`s Port

Bravo you made a good point pensiciola is a little iffy but , Mississippi is not they should be included in our CSA population. Misssissippi residents from Jackson, Greene ,george,clarke and harrisson counties travel heavily in mobile . the population of those counties especialy jackson and harrison county are to large for just casinos. Those people work in Mobile and shop. You can not go any were in Mobile with out seeing these tags. you hust can not. Mobile forumers on here know exactly what i`m talking about . Jackson,Greene, and clark counties touch Mobile county and several of there kids attend Mobile County public shools out in the west. The whole count yis Mobiles metro so why wouldn`t they include them. Washington county (65) tag number for Mobile forumers they commute to mobile heavily. Washington County ony has a (2006) population of over 17,000 people there is nothing in washington county so why wouldint they shop, and work in Mobile county.The same is said for the other Mississippi counties.

I am a student in Huntsville, and when I come home It just amaze me of how crowded Mobile streets can get at times. The population of Mobile feels a lot bigger than what is projected . it does not feel like a city with a metro of over 570,000 ppl. It feels more like a city with a metro of around 800,000 like it should be.


There is no Mobile forumer on this sit or any chat thread from City-data,Skyscraperpage,Skyscrapercity,or Urbanplanet. will disagree with me on this Bldwin County forumers will tell you the same thing.

You're right there. All one must do is travel Schillinger Rd in west Mobile and it seems about half of the license plates are from Mississippi.

[kevin_1975]

I agree. Many Mississippi tags are coming in for shopping and work.