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Old 04-18-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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^walker county is no longer part of the Birmingham MSA

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...etin-18-04.pdf

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Old 04-18-2019, 08:25 PM
 
Location: 35217
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^walker county is no longer part of the Birmingham MSA

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...etin-18-04.pdf
Right....
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Using the Census Bureau's latest Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) definitions, the newest numbers for the "Big 4" are:

Birmingham-Hoover, AL Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA)*
1,088,090

Huntsville Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA)
462,693

Mobile Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA)**
430,135

Montgomery Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA)
235,737


*note that the Birmingham MSA lost Walker County in the latest definitions. that sucks, because those definitions are only done ever 5 or 10 years as i understand it. so the numbers will look like the Birmingham area lost 60,000 people (when the reality is that that many people didn't simply pick up and leave, but people will just see the net loss and make assumptions). that might be enough to knock Birmingham out of the top 50 by 2020.

**also note that the Mobile MSA added Washington County

(FWIW, these are my own calculations... anybody want to double check me??)
I think Jasper became it's own micropolitan area, so that could be the reason Walker County was dropped. That's just a guess.
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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Right....
What are you disagreeing with?

It’s certainly possible I’m misunderstanding the information in the link, but the Birmingham MSA only has 6 counties listed under it from what I can tell.

I’d love to be wrong here..
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Old 04-24-2019, 07:18 PM
 
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What are the figures of the CSAs? Are those listed or will I need to break out the calculator to find those out? Ha.

I know Mobile and Baldwin are part of a CSA. Wasn’t Bham expecting Tuscaloosa to be added to its CSA?
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Old 04-24-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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^walker county is no longer part of the Birmingham MSA

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...etin-18-04.pdf
I don't know if it matters or not, but the new metro definitions are dated September 2018 and the estimates are for July 2018 (so B'ham still had Walker County in its metro at the time).

Removing Walker's population numbers may show up in the next estimate for July 2019 but we'll have to wait until April 2020 to find out (I have no idea why it takes so long just to publish those estimates, just for numbers of people).
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Old 04-24-2019, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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What are the figures of the CSAs? Are those listed or will I need to break out the calculator to find those out? Ha.

I know Mobile and Baldwin are part of a CSA. Wasn’t Bham expecting Tuscaloosa to be added to its CSA?
Didn't Mobile add the county just to the north of Mobile County with the 2018 redefinition? It's not very populous, but adds a few people. One issue that I see with Mobile adding counties is that it's so big in area (1230 sq miles) to begin with so it would be a long commute for workers to come to. Baldwin County is also very large at almost 1600 sq miles.

The CSA definitions start on Page 115 of the whitehouse.gov link cited above. Looks like the B'ham CSA is the B'ham Metro, plus Cullman, Jasper, and Talledega Micropolitan Areas. Tuscaloosa is not included. I think they redefine metros, etc., every 5 years so it'll be about 2023 for the next assessment if that number is correct.

Perhaps a better numbers comparison would be the actual urban areas, and those numbers are available somewhere.

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Old 04-25-2019, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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What are the figures of the CSAs? Are those listed or will I need to break out the calculator to find those out? Ha.

I know Mobile and Baldwin are part of a CSA. Wasn’t Bham expecting Tuscaloosa to be added to its CSA?
i'm not sure how CSA is calculated/measured, but i certainly don't feel like tuscaloosa relies much on birmingham or vice versa. even cullman seems a bit of a stretch to me.
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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Perhaps a better numbers comparison would be the actual urban areas, and those numbers are available somewhere.
For whatever reason, Mobile's urbanized area in the past has ended on the causeway, half way to Spanish Fort/Daphne, even though the Mobile and SF share a border. Mind you, this area is less than 2 miles from downtown Mobile.
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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Based on some back of the napkin math and some quick references, the below are the CSAs in Alabama, by population size:

Birmingham (Jefferson, Bibb, Blount, Chilton, Cullman, St. Clair, Shelby, Talladega, Walker)
1,235,243

Mobile (Mobile, Baldwin, Washington)
648,157

Huntsville (Madison, Lawrence, Limestone, Morgan)
614,739

Montgomery (Montgomery, Autauga, Coosa, Dallas, Elmore, Lowndes, Tallapoosa)
462,747

Let me know if you spot any errors.
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