[Huntsville_secede]

Originally Posted by mimpdaddy

Im a born and raised bama boy and let me be first to tell Florida is definately southern.

Most of Florida is especially Northern Florida, the further south you go the more Northern-like Florida gets, Miami is not like a typical southern city and is filled mostly with Northern transplants and retirees.

[spanko75]

Why wasn't Dothan considered in this? And IMO, the panhandle of FLA is nothing but rednecks.

[mimpdaddy]

Originally Posted by Huntsville_secede

This is one of the things I hate about some people in the south at least a lot of the black ones I've come across, they think there is something wrong with talking in complete sentences and fully pronouncing words. Regardless if you are educated or not its dumb to talk like you are ignorant, using slang words is one thing but not correctly prouncing words is another and it irritates me. Like you said KE some of them are able to talk better when they need to be but that's not always the case some educated or not just do not know how to speak correctly and I blame the southern culture that thinks talking correctly is a bad thing for that. I've seen the same thing up north but not nearly as much as down south and its usually more among lower income. When I first moved to Alabama I was constantly told that I spoke too proper which is crazy because IMO my vocabulary could use improving and being around people who constantly misuse words all the rubs off on you in a negative way. I have seen much less of this praising of negative culture in Huntsville than I have seen in other cities in Alabama but Huntsville is still very much Southern if you think it's not go visit some northern cities its still very different from them.. its just not as Southern as Montgomery, Mobile, or even Birmingham. Atlanta is really not that Southern either though.

Huntsville_secede I have to disagree.Have you ever been to Southwest ATL, Decatur,Stone moutain or Bankhead they are worse than Alabama.

[PortCity]

Originally Posted by Huntsville_secede

This is one of the things I hate about some people in the south at least a lot of the black ones I've come across, they think there is something wrong with talking in complete sentences and fully pronouncing words. Regardless if you are educated or not its dumb to talk like you are ignorant, using slang words is one thing but not correctly prouncing words is another and it irritates me. Like you said KE some of them are able to talk better when they need to be but that's not always the case some educated or not just do not know how to speak correctly and I blame the southern culture that thinks talking correctly is a bad thing for that. I've seen the same thing up north but not nearly as much as down south and its usually more among lower income. When I first moved to Alabama I was constantly told that I spoke too proper which is crazy because IMO my vocabulary could use improving and being around people who constantly misuse words all the rubs off on you in a negative way. I have seen much less of this praising of negative culture in Huntsville than I have seen in other cities in Alabama but Huntsville is still very much Southern if you think it's not go visit some northern cities its still very different from them.. its just not as Southern as Montgomery, Mobile, or even Birmingham. Atlanta is really not that Southern either though.

I agree and I don`t know why people on this frum is acting as if B-ham isn`t Southern because it is. The size of the city doesn`t have nothing to do with the culture because it is inBirmingham on full duty. In my opinion especialy with the African Americans in B-ham they have a heavier southern accent then the blacks in Mobile.

[Huntsville_secede]

Originally Posted by mimpdaddy

Huntsville_secede I have to disagree.Have you ever been to Southwest ATL, Decatur,Stone moutain or Bankhead they are worse than Alabama.

Yeah most of those are places with high concentrations of local people especially places like College Park and Southwest Atlanta which are lower income areas. Places like that definitely have the dirty south feel. Why would people move hundreds of miles to another city just to be poor, if you move some place you are moving to move up the social ladder. Some of the other areas further away from the city of Atlanta such as Cobb and Gwinnett and the more suburban parts of Fulton county which have more transplants feel less Southern. Also Atlanta while attracting a lot of Northern transplants it also attracts many transplants from the South too because many people see it as the place to be especially younger singles. I'm not saying Atlanta doesn't have that Southern aspect it does but it is much less Southern than Birmigham, Mobile or Montgomery, and it diminishes more and more every year as more transplants move there. Tell an Atlantian that it's like Birmingham or anywhere in Alabama and they'll get offended they look down on Alabama.

[Huntsville_secede]

Mimpdaddy I think I see what you are saying though I think. You think Huntsville lacks the "dirty south" aspect which is basically Southern black culture Atlanta definitely has plenty of that and it's evenembraced by many of the Northern transplant blacks that move there. Huntsville does have a country Southern feel just not the black version of it. Go to Gurley, Hazel Green, New Hope, Admore, Owens Crossroads, or Triana. Those places definitely have a Southern country feel and the accents are much stronger there. Triana even has a dirty south feel but it only has 400 people. The reason Huntsville lacks this dirty south feel though is because Northern Alabama wasn't a place that had many plantation owners it was mostly poor farmers therefore very few slaves. The predominately black side of Huntsville North Huntsville has residents that who's parents moved there for military or job purposes, their family history in Huntsville rarely goes back more than two generations. Most of North Alabama is historically primarily white, the blacks moved here for jobs so it doesn't have the southern black feel but it still has somewhat of a southern feel.

[A&M Bulldawg]

Originally Posted by Huntsville_secede

The reason Huntsville lacks this dirty south feel though is because Northern Alabama wasn't a place that had many plantation owners it was mostly poor farmers therefore very few slaves. The predominately black side of Huntsville North Huntsville has residents that who's parents moved there for military or job purposes, their family history in Huntsville rarely goes back more than two generations. Most of North Alabama is historically primarily white, the blacks moved here for jobs so it doesn't have the southern black feel but it still has somewhat of a southern feel.

http://www.bowdoin.edu/~prael/branch...ve-distrib.jpg
http://www.bowdoin.edu/~prael/branch...slave-conc.jpg
Lincoln/Net Images

On these maps, Huntsville/Madison County had more slaves than counties with medium to large size black populations today: Montgomery and Jefferson.

[inthecut]

none of the above...Oxford hands down..home of ole miss, faulkner, and ice tea...most southern
city in the USA, in fact.......established fact, this.....I believe they even have a special school for studying all things southron at the university...

[Huntsville_secede]

Originally Posted by A&M Bulldawg

http://www.bowdoin.edu/~prael/branch/ex1/m1-slave-distrib.jpg
http://www.bowdoin.edu/~prael/branch/ex1/m2-slave-conc.jpg
Lincoln/Net Images

On these maps, Huntsville/Madison County had more slaves than counties with medium to large size black populations today: Montgomery and Jefferson.

That's really interesting I've always read that Madison County had few slaves, still looks like from the map most of the black belt counties have more especially if you're talking about as a percentage of total population. Jefferson County I'm not surprised blacks moved there for work after slavery ended since its been the industrial center of Alabama. I'm still wondering where these high number of slaves in Madison county were concentrated considering Huntsville's population was still about 13,000 well into the 1940's. Some of those counties were dark red in the black belt which is where most of the blacks in Alabama are originally from. Madison County was the second darkest red which looks about the same as Montgomery county I think. Even so like I said blacks move where they can find jobs so after slavery especially at the turn of the century, they moved to the cities that had jobs.. Huntsville wasn't a job center until NASA and redstone arsenal came there so either way there still wasn't a sizable population of blacks here until fairly recently.

[A&M Bulldawg]

Originally Posted by Huntsville_secede

That's really interesting I've always read that Madison County had few slaves, still looks like from the map most of the black belt counties have more especially if you're talking about as a percentage of total population. Jefferson County I'm not surprised blacks moved there for work after slavery ended since its been the industrial center of Alabama. I'm still wondering where these high number of slaves in Madison county were concentrated considering Huntsville's population was still about 13,000 well into the 1940's. Some of those counties were dark red in the black belt which is where most of the blacks in Alabama are originally from. Madison County was the second darkest red which looks about the same as Montgomery county I think. Even so like I said blacks move where they can find jobs so after slavery especially at the turn of the century, they moved to the cities that had jobs.. Huntsville wasn't a job center until NASA and redstone arsenal came there so either way there still wasn't a sizable population of blacks here until fairly recently.

So the black population of Huntsville is starting to increase?