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Old 04-26-2009, 03:55 PM
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Default councilman removes confederate flags from graves

Dowdell&#39s actions garner disapproval | Opelika-Auburn News
Wow, what an AH. What's worse is he wants to use his position to limit or prevent confederate flags from being put on graves again.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:58 PM
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It has gotten him great publicity.
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Old 04-26-2009, 05:08 PM
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Dowdell&#39s actions garner disapproval | Opelika-Auburn News
Wow, what an AH. What's worse is he wants to use his position to limit or prevent confederate flags from being put on graves again.



A police report should be filed by the property owners and if the judge won't find probable cause then the judge can be voted out along with this AH next election.

In other states that is criminal mischief. In the very least it will be pled to a lesser offense if the judge fails to find pecuniary value to flags for the criminal mischief charge, so he'll plead to a lesser damage property charge. A criminal charge and he will go on probation too.

It also appears that Alabama has a law against people messing around with public places/historical monuments etc like city properties and this graveyard appears to be a city owned historical location.

The nerve....un believable.
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Old 04-26-2009, 05:39 PM
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What if someone has one in their yard, does he just walk up and take it? The man needs to be arrested for theft.
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Old 04-26-2009, 06:05 PM
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I am a Northerner but always thought the South was right to want to secede.
I would think the Confederate flag would be a historic, nostalgic, and political representation of what some people's ancestors were engaged in.

This is just wrong.

I bet if someone had a Red Flag (aka hammer and sickle) or other manifesto type flag, or the Mexican flag on a grave, no one would say a thing, and if someone tried to get it removed, they would have the ACLU there in a minute.

Yeah, maybe that's what you need to do...call the ACLU and say it's your right to have these on graves if you want.

They weren't harming anyone.

If you don't fight back, more and more of this will go on, until any vestiges of liberty, such as the Confederate flag, will be gone. You can bet on it.
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:57 PM
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If someone wants to display their love that stupid thing, I say let em. I may not like it, but they're free to own and display it on private property.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:02 PM
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The confederate flag represents domestic terrorism at its worst....hundred of thousands of Americans died because of that hateful emblem and its intent to destroy the United States of America and to enslave people into chattel slavery. Following the war to save the Union...the confederate flag was associated with lynchings and murder and exploitation. It is a hateful emblem....as bad as the swastika.

My grandfathers eldest brother was a victim of that treason.....and died defending the Union. One of my ministers was beaten to death on the side walk in Selma Alabama by a man who was still glorifying that hateful emblem.

So I dont know about the private display of hate symbols and the violence associated with them....but I am not shedding a tear that the battle flag underwhich terrorists killed Americans has been removed from some graves. It is an indecent display that desecretes a cemetery.....if it is a public cemetery....they should have been removed long ago.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:14 PM
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The confederate flag represents domestic terrorism at its worst....hundred of thousands of Americans died because of that hateful emblem and its intent to destroy the United States of America and to enslave people into chattel slavery. Following the war to save the Union...the confederate flag was associated with lynchings and murder and exploitation. It is a hateful emblem....as bad as the swastika.

My grandfathers eldest brother was a victim of that treason.....and died defending the Union. One of my ministers was beaten to death on the side walk in Selma Alabama by a man who was still glorifying that hateful emblem.

So I dont know about the private display of hate symbols and the violence associated with them....but I am not shedding a tear that the battle flag underwhich terrorists killed Americans has been removed from some graves. It is an indecent display that desecretes a cemetery.....if it is a public cemetery....they should have been removed long ago.
Did you read the article?

The flags are put on graves of dead soldiers by daughters with direct lineage to the dead soldier who died in the war. Every year.

There were 260,000 people who died in that war and the ONLY FLAG they had was that one. So as to the time of their death, that was the flag they died for.

Did you know there were Black Confederate soldiers? Long been a subject of controversy as to why. The war was not exclusively about slavery, slavery was only one of the matches that lit the fire. It was documented by Fredrick Douglass too. Yes some went as man servants but many were full fledged musket toting soldiers.

It was a complex situation and I dont think it's fair to put 20th century politics on it. jmho.

Many people believe that if the topic of succession had come up in the 1780's it would not have been rejected.

How about the behavior of the NORTH in that war? Of course the liberal educators of today cover all that up. Here's a quote of the time from a NJ guy, one of the speeches by Rev. C. Chauncey Burr, of New Jersey, :

"We had no right to burn their wheat-fields, steal their pianos, spoons or jewelry. Mr. Lincoln had stolen a good many thousand negroes, but for every negro he had thus stolen, he had stolen ten thousand spoons. It had been said that, if the South would lay down their arms, they would be received back into the Union. The South could not honorably lay down her arms, for she was fighting for her honor."


REgardless, the guy this week was NOT within his legal rights to tamper with the property of others. SORT OF A REPLAY of stealing from the South:

"I think I'm right so I get to do whatever I want"

If you go after the rights of people you disagree with, yours will be the next to go. An old axiom that's very true. We happen to be living that RIGHT NOW with our current government as a matter of fact.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:25 PM
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The confederate flag doesn`t represent anything positive nor what America is really about
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:28 PM
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I forgot to ask, is the Civil War a big topic in Maine? I'm surprised since that's the state with the greatest amount of Non Hispanic White population coming in at a whopping 98.08 % white population with a .77% Black population and most of your immigration coming from Canada right?
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