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[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

OK, Floyd. I am not going to continue arguing with you on the fact that "perceptions aren't facts."

That's a very good idea on your part, because you can't win. Claiming that perceptions are related to emotions is ignorance. You won't look it up in a dictionary, and as a result your perception of what the word means is wrong.

Whoever reads our arguments in this forum can do a little research and find the answers for themselves, since I am not talking about "dictionaries" but about "personality development and perceptions," and how emotions are a direct link to one's perceptions.

Look the word up any dictionary Ray. It has nothing to do with emotions, and in fact is pretty much the opposite.

perception
n 1: the representation of what is perceived; basic component in
the formation of a concept [syn: percept, perceptual
experience]
2: a way of conceiving something; "Luther had a new perception
of the Bible"
3: the process of perceiving
4: knowledge gained by perceiving; "a man admired for the depth
of his perception"
5: becoming aware of something via the senses [syn: sensing]

The "facts" as you perceive them! It's what you sense to be a fact. The connotation is that a person logically sorts out sensations (things heard, seen, touched, tasted, or smelled). It is essentially different from emotions, which are feelings not necessarily related to logical analysis or what can be sensed.

Emotion is "any strong feeling" (Webster), and is described in as "Emotion is of the mind alone, being the excited action of some inward susceptibility or feeling".

Hence you are saying perception, but describing emotion. You have them totally confused.

I completely agree with you, Floyd, in that you indeed use your perceptions in matters of voting. A lot of people do the same without realizing that perceptions are emotions.

Perception is not the same thing as emotion. You are clearly confused and refuse to look it up to verify what you say.

Read: Psychiatry and you will find thr truth.

As if your connection to psychiatry has ever been study as opposed to conversation while reclining on a couch!

If you read anything related to psychiatric study of emotions the first thing you'd discover is that "perception" and "emotion" are distinctly different: you can perceive and emotion but if you emote a perception (Warpt will love this) it is described as "delusional".

Now stop spouting bull pucky that you know nothing about and refuse to learn about. This is even worse than when you tried to discuss how to analyze of photograph! The white balance was off on everything, remember! Or, at least on everything you mistakenly or otherwise thought was mine... because you were emoting your perceptions!

[warptman]

id·i·ot
   /ˈɪdiət/ Show Spelled[id-ee-uht] Show IPA
–noun
1. an utterly foolish or senseless person.
2. Psychology . a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

[Rance]

I'd give it if I could Warpt. I'd give it if I could...

[RayinAK]

Floyd,

Do some research about the following subjects, and then you will understand how perceptions are directly linked to one's emotions and personality:

a. Perceptions and self
b. Our perceptions of others
c. Perceptions and personality development
d. Perceptions and emotions

One's perceptions are a reflection of oneself. We see (perceive) in others things we like, dislike, hate, love, fear, nurture, trust, and a myryad of feelins or emotions. But these perceptions aren't necessarily the truth or facts. If our perceptions of others were facts, then everyone of us would be a perfect juror, a perfect cop, a perfect judge. Every one of us would be a "truth machine," for we would know exactly what the other person is. As such would would be able to spot the perfect wife or husband, since we would immediately and completely know the person.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Floyd,

Do some research about the following subjects, and then you will understand how perceptions are directly linked to one's emotions and personality:

You have not done any research at all, and don't have a clue what the words mean. I've posted quotes showing what virtually any amount of minimal research would tell you. You insist that the rest of the world is wrong, but won't look to see.

I don't have much expectation that your reading comprehension is high enough to make sense of what google would find for you anyway...

I do note that at least you are now not exactly saying that emotions and perceptions are the same thing, just saying that perceptions are "directly linked" to emotions. That's a bit hilarious though, as perceptions are directly linked to how much pain you feel from hemorrhoids too. But perceptions are not hemorrhoids, not a product of hemorrhoids, and are never confused with a pain in the hemorrhoid.

Your emotions however are interfering with your perceptions, which is defined as a delusion. It is also related to you being a pain in the...

[warptman]

e·go
   /ˈigoʊ, ˈɛgoʊ/ Show Spelled[ee-goh, eg-oh]
–noun, plural e·gos.
1.
the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.
2.
Psychoanalysis . the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives of the id and the demands of the social and physical environment.
3.
egotism; conceit; self-importance: Her ego becomes more unbearable each day.
4.
self-esteem or self-image; feelings: Your criticism wounded his ego.
5.
( often initial capital letter ) Philosophy .
a.
the enduring and conscious element that knows experience.
b.
Scholasticism . the complete person comprising both body and soul.
6.
Ethnology . a person who serves as the central reference point in the study of organizational and kinship relationships.

[richelles]

Ray I'm going to approach the subject from a slightly different viewpoint. Perception is something both of us can see. We can both tell it's cold or hot, daylight or darkness, windy or calm, That is we have a perception which is similar to both of us.

Emotion, on the other hand, is contained to an individual's mind. Let's say you have been your usual self and your wife is going to act out the age old routine of swinging her heavy cast iron frying pan in the vicinity of your puffy old head to fully awaken you to the reality of life. We both could, for instance, perceive, by her behavior, that she was going to clang you up the side of your head with her large cast iron frying pan, but neither of us could perceive her emotions for which side of your head she thought hurt less from the last clanging you so richly deserved for being a stubborn old mule.

You and I could both perceive that, she had picked up the frying pan, she was looking at you with that gleam in her eye that says you're about to be the recipient of a good clanging, but neither of us could see the emotion that she was feeling about why you couldn't learn after so many good clangings.

Is that easier for you to understand?

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by richelles

Ray I'm going to approach the subject from a slightly different viewpoint. Perception is something both of us can see. We can both tell it's cold or hot, daylight or darkness, windy or calm, That is we have a perception which is similar to both of us.

Emotion, on the other hand, is contained to an individual's mind. Let's say you have been you usual self and your wife is going to act out the age old routine of swinging her heavy cast iron frying pan in the vicinity of your puffy old head to fully awaken you to the reality of life. We both could, for instance, perceive, by her behavior, that she was going to clang you up the side of your head with her large cast iron frying pan, but neither of us could perceive her emotions for which side of your head she thought hurt less from the last clanging you so richly deserved for being a stubborn old mule.

You and I could both perceive that, she had picked up the frying pan, she was looking at you with that gleam in her eye that says you're about to be the recipient of a good clanging, but neither of us could see the emotion that she was feeling about why you couldn't learn after so many good clangings.
Is that easier for you to understand?

You are correct that perceptions are that, but only in part. Perceptions are a direct link to one's emotions and personality. That's why one's perceptions of another person can't be used in court to judge. Lets say that you meet a person for the first time. In this case, your perceive the person (a woman, for example) as being pretty or sexy, you really like the way this person laughs, the way she smiles, and just want to be with this person from that moment on. All that has happened is that you have seen (perceived) on the person... those things that you like, things that make you comfortable or happy, aroused, etc. However, it does not mean that the woman is exactly as you have perceived her to be, simply because those things you have seeing on the woman are those things that you have learned or experienced from childhood. Your friend may "see" on the same person something that's completely different than what you see. What you have perceived are your own feelings or a reflection of your own feelings on the other person. Have you ever felt that a girlfriend or a wife laughs and behaves "just like your mother" and feel happy about it? Well, it means that you have experienced those things from childhood, and that you have projected them or seeing them on this person (your perceptions).

As our personality develops we experience pain, hate, fear, joy, and a myriad of emotions. We also experience physical pain, and a lot of other things. Abused children and adults often experience emotional and physical pain. All of these things, including our emotions, are directly linked to one's perceptions of all those people around us and the environment.

While perceptions can lead to a factual outcome, perceptions by nature aren't "facts" in a general term, just one's personal facts, and these amount to a pile of beans (nothing more). No two people alive perceive the same item or person in an identical way. The person standing next to you will never see the same thing in an abstract painting (another example).

A lot of us see and listen to two politicians side by side, and most often only see and hear what we want to see and hear. This is because of our perceptions. If the same people see the two politicians for the first time (same situation), but under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or when very tired or sleepy, the perceptions are completely different. The bottom line is that perceptions aren't facts, but a relation to one's emotions and personality.

Facts are truths that can be proven, perceptions are a lot more of concepts. While one can't argue against a fact, one can be fooled by perceptions. It's said that serial killers can be quite cunning, friendly, likable, and that people find them attractive. That's because of our perceptions. What one perceives of others, specially when meeting them for the first time, are only things we like or dislike, and both a reflection of oneself like looking on the mirror

[Metlakatla]

Let's put it this way, Ray. Let's say I decide to do an ice carving of your head. And your head is fat. And so it is.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

You are correct that perceptions are that

He is in fact correct. And you in fact are making stuff up that is unique, that nobody else ever heard of, that defines various things in ways not used by anyone.

That's delusional.