Native corporations (Barrow, Metlakatla, Prudhoe Bay: fit in, lawyers, home)

[roadfamily6now]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

And that would be why the Lower-48 reservations and the Native villages in Alaska are such bastions of wealth, right?

Look, I'm no expert on this and I have wondered the exact same thing! I see such companies like Bristol Bay Native Corporation, that made a $32 million profit last year, I certainly do not see that wealth spread out among it's shareholders.

These Native Corporations were constructed to help the native communities. They still get preferential treatment and incentives to help them be profitable (although I'm not sure if a company making $32million needs incentives) After all these years, who exactly is benefiting?

[stiffnecked]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Another one nailed, that poor Stiffy can't refute.

Why even try? Even when faced with unimpeachable evidence that your conclusions are wrong you can't admit that your mistaken. So there is no sense in engaging someone in a spirited fact finding debate when they are closed minded. It's a usless endeavor.

[roadfamily6now]

For what it's worth. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for all this **** that the Native people all over America have been put through. But I cannot go back in time.

I'm just going to be nice to everyone and treat everyone how I would want to be treated.

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Given land? They owned the land! They were "paid" 1 billion dollars and most of their land was taken from them. The money paid for lands on which it was known that oil existed in excess of 100 times that amount of money's worth. They were not asked to sell, they were told it was sold.

That's hog wash. Just as many people in urban areas are on public assistance.

So why not stick to facts rather than making up stories?

What part of what I said can't you grasp, it is factual.

All you can add is that people in the cities are on public support as well? Yes they are, but no where near what the villages and small towns levels are at.

In Nenana, I would bet the numbers on public support is about 60% or better. You can't get anyone to work when there is work. In Barrow, many of the jobs are done by outsiders (such as yourself) because many of the locals don't want to work, that is why there is such a large numbers of outsiders there. Pay is very good for those that want to work, but you already know that, it is why you went there.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by gaduchman

Another strange or maybe not so, from the children:

Do Alaska's Native Corporations depend on govt handouts like they do in the lower 48 reservation system?

Not necessarily on handouts (don't really know about that), but there is a lot to be learned about contracts and the ANC:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/alask...porations.html

[stiffnecked]

I feel sorry for RayinAK and starlite. There is no wrath like that of a woman scorned. I have a feeling hellfire and brimstones are about to rain down on your heads. Hope you survive the onslaught.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by stiffnecked

I feel sorry for RayinAK and starlite. There is no wrath like that of a woman scorned. I have a feeling hellfire and brimstones are about to rain down on your heads. Hope you survive the onslaught.

Is he a woman?

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Is he a woman?

Um, maybe he needs to come in from the wilderness.... :-0

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by starlite9

What part of what I said can't you grasp, it is factual.

They were not "given land". Land was taken away from them.

That is a fact. You can't seem to grasp it. And the idea that they were given money is hilarious, because it was in trade for land and resources that were already known to be worth well over 100 times the money they were "given" as the sale price.

All you can add is that people in the cities are on public support as well? Yes they are, but no where near what the villages and small towns levels are at.

That's hog wash, and you can't support it with anything even close to a fact.

The money in this state comes from the bush. The money in this state is spent mostly on urban areas. So who is on "public support"?

In Nenana, I would bet the numbers on public support is about 60% or better.

Not that you can support such claims with facts...

You can't get anyone to work when there is work. In Barrow, many of the jobs are done by outsiders (such as yourself) because many of the locals don't want to work, that is why there is such a large numbers of outsiders there. Pay is very good for those that want to work, but you already know that, it is why you went there.

I am retired, and have been for a relatively long time. If I had come here for the good pay, why have I been here twice as long while retired as while working? (And indeed I was extremely well paid... when I worked in Fairbanks as well as when I worked in Barrow.)

Your claims about people in Barrow are just like your previous claims about sea ice forming at 28F and Bowhead whales needing to be in open water to breath... a total crock of crap that smells.

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

They were not "given land". Land was taken away from them.

So what is your point, they got the land back....

That is a fact. You can't seem to grasp it. And the idea that they were given money is hilarious, because it was in trade for land and resources that were already known to be worth well over 100 times the money they were "given" as the sale price.That's hog wash, and you can't support it with anything even close to a fact.

Fact is they were given hundreds of millions of dollars, what part of that didn't you understand...

The money in this state comes from the bush. The money in this state is spent mostly on urban areas. So who is on "public support"?

Didn't think you put that much money there, but whatever...

Not that you can support such claims with facts...I am retired, and have been for a relatively long time. If I had come here for the good pay, why have I been here twice as long while retired as while working? (And indeed I was extremely well paid... when I worked in Fairbanks as well as when I worked in Barrow.)

You made my point again, you went to Barrow because it paid very well, and you retired, good for you. Most of all the high paying jobs are done by outsiders because the locals simply don't want to work. Why do you think that so many of the outsiders came there, for the money, not the scenery or the life style. They may stay after they retire like you did, but most drag up anchor and leave with their pensions.

Your claims about people in Barrow are just like your previous claims about sea ice forming at 28F and Bowhead whales needing to be in open water to breath... a total crock of crap that smells.

The photos of what I posted show ice off the coast a few miles from Prudhoe Bay, that is what shuts down our boating traffic in late September, if you can't grasp that, then so be it since you don't grasp much else either.

The fact that it just started to get cold in Barrow by your standard and all of a sudden the "Big Ice Pack" moves in, proves the ice just moves around, it hasn't been cold enough to freeze into massive chunks. A bit of common sense goes a long way.