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[Glitch]

Personally, I do not vote for a candidate that I think will win the election. I do not care if they win or lose. I vote for the candidate I think is best for the job. If they do not win, I can sleep soundly at night knowing that I did what I thought was best for my state and my country.

I think we would have a far more representative government, at all levels (and much less corrupt), if more people had that same frame of mind when it comes to voting. Instead of appealing to our baser instincts (namely greed and competitiveness), candidates would be forced to demonstrate what they can do to better protect our "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Assuming that is what Americans want anymore.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by Glitch

Personally, I do not vote for a candidate that I think will win the election. I do not care if they win or lose. I vote for the candidate I think is best for the job. If they do not win, I can sleep soundly at night knowing that I did what I thought was best for my state and my country.

Except what you want is something that really should scare the wits out of the rest of us...

I think we would have a far more representative government, at all levels (and much less corrupt), if more people had that same frame of mind when it comes to voting. Instead of appealing to our baser instincts (namely greed and competitiveness), candidates would be forced to demonstrate what they can do to better protect our "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Assuming that is what Americans want anymore.

You know what Americans have always wanted? I can tell. It's exactly the same thing you want! A politician who does things to help them, that's what they want.

Now, clearly if any politician helps somebody in a way that doesn't help you, you call it "greed and competitiveness", and say the politician is corrupt. Of course half the people here saying the same thing want something different than the other half, so they are all screaming that the politicians are corrupt and giving in to "special interests". The special interests are of course constituents who have a different need than the constituents complaining... and if the politician helps the other constituents, the first group then has the same complaint about greedy special interests being able to buy the corrupt politician with vote promises.

Did you ever consider that we're all in it together? We're all neighbors and helping someone else when it doesn't directly help me does help me indirectly!

Beats the crap out of right wingnut ideology, eh? :-)

[Milleka]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Except what you want is something that really should scare the wits out of the rest of us...
You know what Americans have always wanted? I can tell. It's exactly the same thing you want! A politician who does things to help them, that's what they want.

Now, clearly if any politician helps somebody in a way that doesn't help you, you call it "greed and competitiveness", and say the politician is corrupt. Of course half the people here saying the same thing want something different than the other half, so they are all screaming that the politicians are corrupt and giving in to "special interests". The special interests are of course constituents who have a different need than the constituents complaining... and if the politician helps the other constituents, the first group then has the same complaint about greedy special interests being able to buy the corrupt politician with vote promises.

Did you ever consider that we're all in it together? We're all neighbors and helping someone else when it doesn't directly help me does help me indirectly!

Beats the crap out of right wingnut ideology, eh? :-)

You are right to an extent- but you cannot deny that our government is corrupt... no matter what your political ideology is. Some of them have nothing more than their own wallet at heart and could care less about the people they represent.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by Milleka

You are right to an extent- but you cannot deny that our government is corrupt... no matter what your political ideology is. Some of them have nothing more than their own wallet at heart and could care less about the people they represent.

How is that any different than the population as a whole. They probably are, percentage wise, far less corrupt that the average Fortune 500 CEO, perhaps by a factor of 5.

But it makes no difference that some politicians are corrupt when people on a regular basis run around calling all of them corrupt, in particular when it is done simply because they are in fact doing the job they were elected to do!

[Milleka]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

How is that any different than the population as a whole. They probably are, percentage wise, far less corrupt that the average Fortune 500 CEO, perhaps by a factor of 5.

But it makes no difference that some politicians are corrupt when people on a regular basis run around calling all of them corrupt, in particular when it is done simply because they are in fact doing the job they were elected to do!

True dat. We have nobody to blame but OURSELVES... but that seems to be an epidemic in this country. Nobody will take personal responsibility.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Except what you want is something that really should scare the wits out of the rest of us...

As I said, what I want is someone that will protect our "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" in addition to abiding by their oath of office. If that scares "the wits" out of you then that says a great deal about your anti-American agenda.

The rest of your diatribe can be dismissed as the ravings of an arrogant and truly ignorant socialist.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by Glitch

As I said, what I want is someone that will protect our "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" in addition to abiding by their oath of office. If that scares "the wits" out of you then that says a great deal about your anti-American agenda.

The rest of your diatribe can be dismissed as the ravings of an arrogant and truly ignorant socialist.

Socialism is what makes Alaska such a great place to live.

Odd thing is, that's pretty much always been true.

Now, Glitch... go ahead and show us who is ignorant by denying it! The fact is you came to Alaska to enjoy the benefits of socialism though, right?

[RedJacket]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

How is that any different than the population as a whole.

I agree. I don't believe any of us haven't lied, cheated, or pulled off numerous other mischievous deeds along the way, but I don't think that should factor into how politicians behave.

They're the ones who've chosen to serve the public. They're the ones who've taken an oath of office to uphold the constitution (law). They're the ones who we put in a position of power to do the right thing. If that's something they can't handle, then they should quit.

Holding elected officials to a higher standard than ourselves isn't an unreasonable request.

I very seldom vote Republican or Democrat because there's not much difference in how they operate. As Huey Long once said: one party skins you from the head down, the other from the feet up.

I've been told many times that voting for a third party, or doing a write-in is a wasted vote. Such garbage.

If more people wasted their vote, we might not be in the mess we're currently in.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by RedJacket

I've been told many times that voting for a third party, or doing a write-in is a wasted vote. Such garbage.

If more people wasted their vote, we might not be in the mess we're currently in.

That is indeed garbage. The only "wasted vote" is the one not cast.

[Ultrarunner]

Some of us would truly be happy with less...

Maybe it is the pioneer spirit of rugged individualism

Alaska is the last frontier in many ways.