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Old 03-22-2011, 03:46 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by Milleka View Post
There are "good" and "bad" people everywhere in every profession. I really think you are focusing your hostility in the wrong direction. Instead of blaming those who WORK for the government, why don't you blame the guys that ARE the government. We have fundamental problems in this country and it comes from the top on down.
Don't worry, I go after them too, but this thread isn't about them. Plenty of people have their hands in the cookie jar here.
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Old 03-22-2011, 03:58 PM
 
Location: AK
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I am...or was, also a teacher. I only taught for a few years. Did you know that the one profession that home schools their children more than any other are teachers?

Makes sense on one hand because the probably feel more competent to do so, but on the other hand what does it say about their confidence in the system?
Sometimes I wish that I could completely re-design the public education system. There are so many flaws...
I never enjoyed school, and I was not a good student at all- most of my learning was done independently or outside of school. I feel bad for my own students and I try to make the system work for them, but there's only so much that I can do.
So I agree on both counts- I feel confident in my abilities to teach, and I feel very little confidence in the modern education system.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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Why are people using anecdotes about education, roads, etc. from other states to support their arguments about what ought to be done with public employee unions in Alaska? Recruiting and retaining skilled employees up here is a totally different kettle of fish, and the realities of day-to-day life (outside the major cities) are also very different than almost anywhere in the lower 48. There is a reason these sorts of issues are handled on the state level and not on the federal level...or are supposed to be. Of course the initiative in WI came straight from a DC-based interest group...I wonder where Gatto's support is coming from?
Most likely due to the Title of the Thread: Collective Bargaining Rights Restricted.

The first post comparing Alaska to Wisconsin is an invitation for expansion.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:35 PM
 
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IMO it should be pretty obvious that flat-out reducing public employee's benefits and pay isn't going to improve the quality of the work they do, given the problems of attracting and retaining qualified, motivated individuals. I have no problem with tying salary increases (or whatever) at least partially to performance, but they would have to do that performance evaluation in a truly fair, sensible, consistent way across the board...which would require dialogue with the employees...but hmm, how could we possibly dialogue with all the thousands of employees around the state? OH YEAH, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING WITH THEIR REPS.

Not to say that unions perfectly represent their members or couldn't do with some reforming, but it's an existing practical structure that could be taken advantage of, if the focus were on actually getting results (i.e., better employee performance and a balanced budget) as opposed to political grandstanding.
I had no idea things are so bad in Alaska.

My friends that live there would live no where else and I can understand their positions.

One lives in a cabin he built with his own hands and another lives in the Capital and both have Alaska in their veins.

A good friend moved their a few years ago and ended up coming back... he said unless you are in the energy business... opportunities are rather limited because he found a definite hire Alaskans first attitude.

My very old next door neighbor has gone around the country giving a presentation on Building the Alcan Highway... he was part of the team the punched the road through the wilderness and has endless tales about the experience.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:39 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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The first post comparing Alaska to Wisconsin is an invitation for expansion.
The first post didn't even mention Wisconsin, let alone compare it to Alaska.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: on top of a mountain
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people really need to read up on what the purpose and driving force that is behind this: are you similar with Cloward and Piven theory and the Bilderberg Group founded in 1954??? educate yourselves as we are on the path to being global government which means 3rd world economy work environment for us...

American Thinker: Cloward-Piven Government

The Bilderberg Group: Secret society, global puppet masters, rulers of the world or harmless

Bilderberg (http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/jul02/bilderberg.html - broken link)
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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The first post didn't even mention Wisconsin, let alone compare it to Alaska.
Oh really? It says the following:

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Collective bargaining rights would be restricted for many Alaska public employees under a bill introduced by a state lawmaker. Republican state Rep. Carl Gatto (GAH'-toe) of Palmer says his bill mimics one passed recently in Wisconsin.
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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Oh really? It says the following:
And that has what to do with what I wrote?
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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And that has what to do with what I wrote?
You said:

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The first post didn't even mention Wisconsin, let alone compare it to Alaska.
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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The first post didn't even mention Wisconsin, let alone compare it to Alaska.
Here you go...

Collective bargaining rights would be restricted for many Alaska public employees under a bill introduced by a state lawmaker. Republican state Rep. Carl Gatto (GAH'-toe) of Palmer says his bill mimics one passed recently in Wisconsin.
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