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Old 04-13-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Annie, this is simply wrong and it's the type of attitude that if you portray in person will get you disliked in Alaska fairly quickly:

A Non-Conservative Moving to AZ, Good or Bad Idea?



You have not been to Alaska and here you are acting like an expert in the Arizona forum. For shame.
Oh yeah, and how am I wrong? I posted factual documented information. What does my not having been to AK have to do with anything at all?
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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Oh yeah, and how am I wrong? I posted factual documented information. What does my not having been to AK have to do with anything at all?

One more time, I was talking about this:

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Alaska and Arizona are kinda the same attitude, of "I've got mine, so stay out of my business, except when it comes to raising MY taxes, Jack! I am here for MYSELF" Just look in the Alaska thread like yours I started! I was censored though in this post, so you will have to look it up yourself.
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Manhattan Island
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How about pay less taxes, and get rid of services that are so often abused by people who don't need them? What on earth is a "progressive tax attitude" anyway? I think you're looking for Boulder, Colorado. I'm not being sarcastic, I seriously believe that that is where you would be happy. It's exactly the urban-liberal, "progressive", hippie mentality that you're looking for. As long as you got the funds to be able to live there, that is. Which seems to be the case with most "progressive" places. Why do you think it is, Annie, that the places that are often described as "progressive" and "liberal" are the places where the cost of living is so high that natives and long-time locals are now having trouble heating their homes? Maybe it's your so-called "progressive tax attitude". I live in a town that is suffering because of that and a lack of jobs, which is also created by the high taxes. Businesses don't want to operate in a place where they are going to be taxed to high hell.

But I don't suppose you will read all of that, because so far you have been quoting snippets of posts and attacking them. But I hope that you will read it.
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:37 PM
 
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"New age clowns" is insulting to people. Last time I made a reference to right wingers in a derogatory manner, the post was deleted.


Yep, and you tell me that isn't the attitude that has been described in this very thread? Sure you might help out your neighbors, but do you have a progressive tax attitude? pay more taxes, and get more services?
Then report it; but I've seen worse on this forum.

Progressive tax attitude...well, we've got all the services we need out here and personally I wouldn't be willing to pay for city amenities that we don't need. My road isn't even paved and I don't want it that way.
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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How about pay less taxes, and get rid of services that are so often abused by people who don't need them? What on earth is a "progressive tax attitude" anyway? I think you're looking for Boulder, Colorado. I'm not being sarcastic, I seriously believe that that is where you would be happy. It's exactly the urban-liberal, "progressive", hippie mentality that you're looking for. As long as you got the funds to be able to live there, that is. Which seems to be the case with most "progressive" places. Why do you think it is, Annie, that the places that are often described as "progressive" and "liberal" are the places where the cost of living is so high that natives and long-time locals are now having trouble heating their homes? Maybe it's your so-called "progressive tax attitude". I live in a town that is suffering because of that and a lack of jobs, which is also created by the high taxes. Businesses don't want to operate in a place where they are going to be taxed to high hell.

But I don't suppose you will read all of that, because so far you have been quoting snippets of posts and attacking them. But I hope that you will read it.
I honestly don't know what services we don't have here where I'm at that would warrant more taxes.
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:00 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Well, we're lucky here in AK to have considerable revenue streams to put toward public works and whatnot. Like Floyd pointed out, that's actually way more socialist than paying higher taxes would be.

Back in the lower 48 I didn't really mind paying higher taxes to fund medical services, schools, etc, as long as the programs were serving the public well, which I guess is a progressive attitude, but AK has kind of bypassed the "progressive" step by socializing our resources, so yeah. IMO a lot of the mainstream US political jargon just isn't applicable up here.
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:05 PM
 
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Well, we're lucky here in AK to have considerable revenue streams to put toward public works and whatnot. Like Floyd pointed out, that's actually way more socialist than paying higher taxes would be.

Back in the lower 48 I didn't really mind paying higher taxes to fund medical services, schools, etc, as long as the programs were serving the public well, which I guess is a progressive attitude, but AK has kind of bypassed the "progressive" step by socializing our resources, so yeah. IMO a lot of the mainstream US political jargon just isn't applicable up here.
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Alaska and Arizona are kinda the same attitude, of "I've got mine, so stay out of my business, except when it comes to raising MY taxes, Jack! I am here for MYSELF" Just look in the Alaska thread like yours I started!
Well, it is reasonable for people in AK to expect limited/no state taxes, since the state is supposed to be managing revenue from the land on our behalf (again, socialist). There are borough and city taxes in the more built-up places, and how much people want or need from their municipalities (and proportionately how much they are willing to put in) differs from one place to another. Alaska is extremely varied. As for people being "here for THEMSELVES," I have observed and experienced a lot more generosity and community spirit here than any other place I have ever been. People are here are independent-minded, but they pull together when someone needs help in a way I've never seen elsewhere.
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:45 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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Without a doubt, Fairbanks. Just about every car (including Ray's) will be sporting the following bumper sticker:

Voting is like driving a car.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Choose (D) to move forward.
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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ARGGGHHH!!! I hate this so much, that Vermont has become the epitome of the snobby type of uber-liberal ideals that we are seeing here. What is the deal with that? I have spent plenty of time in Vermont, and I didn't find it to be AT ALL like some kind of urban-liberal haven like I'm hearing described. Of course, I tend to avoid Burlington and Brattleboro for that reason, but I dunno. Maybe it's because where I live is such a hippie-liberal utopian paradise type of place that I have become desensitized to that nonsense. It just kills me that whenever uber-liberalism and looking-down-your-nose political ideals are brought up, Vermont is recommended. The old-time Vermonters I know are already appalled at what is happening there, let's stop sending more of them! Vermont and Alaska (and Maine if I could land a job) are the only three places I want to live, and I was hoping to escape from the obnoxious, in-your-face urban liberal attitude. I had thought about doing New Hampshire because it's generally more conservative, but the landscape and climate in Vermont are much more desirable.

I have no problem with liberals, and I am what you might call socially liberal in that I believe in equal rights (on ALL issues) for ALL people, but the intentionally in-your-face, "you're ignorant because you're not an awesome liberal like me", that whole mentality is not only silly, it's disrespectful. What's funny about that specific breed of liberals (and conservatives for that matter) is that they claim to be all about tolerance, but they can't tolerate anyone who doesn't live the way they do. If you're raising your voice loudly to a group of hunters about how wrong they are for hunting, I would say you have got things WAY out of perspective. My political stance is, basically, "Live and let live."



You do realize that there are very few activist groups as hypocritical and corrupt as PETA, right? Last I knew, the only people who took PETA seriously were PETA members themselves. I have a slightly different opinion about their scantily-clad advertising, though...
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