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Old 11-06-2011, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Like the Occupy movement an the destruction that follows them.

You're right, we are such a "Welfare Mentality" and that everyone is "Owed", when they don't get what they feel is theirs, they start looting.

I don't really like violence, but I would be the first in front of my house/business in a riot with a 12Gauge shot gun with an extended tube and double 00 Buck. Racking a shell into the chamber speaks a language Germans, Japanese, Russians, Mexicans and "Stupid" can understand. I don't look for trouble and I'm not a good place to give trouble either.

The OWS broke into a Building a few days ago wearing masks and carring hammers to smash stuff, they were met by my new hero! When he cracked a round into his 12 gauge, the "Occupiers" decided they didn't have enough in their convictions of the cause, they left quickly!

Japan just had a huge disaster, massive loss of life and no looting... Big differance in cultures.
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:38 PM
 
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You're right, we are such a "Welfare Mentality" and that everyone is "Owed", when they don't get what they feel is theirs, they start looting.

I don't really like violence, but I would be the first in front of my house/business in a riot with a 12Gauge shot gun with an extended tube and double 00 Buck. Racking a shell into the chamber speaks a language Germans, Japanese, Russians, Mexicans and "Stupid" can understand. I don't look for trouble and I'm not a good place to give trouble either.

The OWS broke into a Building a few days ago wearing masks and carring hammers to smash stuff, they were met by my new hero! When he cracked a round into his 12 gauge, the "Occupiers" decided they didn't have enough in their convictions of the cause, they left quickly!

Japan just had a huge disaster, massive loss of life and no looting... Big differance in cultures.
Well "stupid" wouldnt get the hint when the shell was chambered. Hints the shot to the chest.
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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ok. i am referring to the only MOS's i am familiar with-anything medical related. they work much less than their civilian counterparts, at least in two of the very big military facilities i have worked at

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That's incorrect, at least in relation to the AF aircraft technicians, AGE support, and the rest around the aircraft. Everything centers around the aircraft, and that's the reason for weekend duty.

The difference is that they can be called-in any of the day or night, even on their days off, and don't get paid overtime. They also go through rotating deployments.

In my civilian job, if I get called to work, that's overtime. If I work on one of the paid holidays, that's double-time I am paid for. I accrue 30 days of leave, and 30 days of sick leave per year. A rookie trooper accrues 6 weeks of vacation per year. I can go to any doctor, dentist, or hospital of my choosing in the US. Not so with military members.
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Old 11-06-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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hmmm the average service member, E2 or E6 etc, and their dependents get better and more inclusive healthcare than any civilian i have ever known. where else can you get put to sleep for minor procedures that civilians have to endure pain in a civilian doctor's office for because insurance wont cover anesthesia? where else can you get free plastic surgery just for the asking? where else can you get admitted for free overnight into a hospital just because you are single and alone? (i am too but guess what, i am sent home to suffer it out myself). where else can you get a vasectomy one year, get divorced and get remarried and have it reversed the next year, get divorced again and get another vasectomy, and keep on going as long as you want to keep changing wives? where else can you get free refractive eye surgery, ok i can understand those in combat getting it, but even those who dont deploy, and also their wives/husbands? i could go on and on.....and all these are free. yes they do "sacrifice" alot with having to deploy and move and do ftx's etc, but my goodness, i cant think of another job where you get this many free health care benefits.



quote=RayinAK;21600076]Military healthcare may be the best in the world, but the average GI joe does not receive such care. High ranking officials, members of Congress, and the President receive the type of healthcare you are talking about.

Lets say that I go to the "best healthcare in the world" at Eielson AFB. In this case, I go to a little clinic, get inline, and in a chance in 100 I may see a doctor. What I usually see is a nurse and a PA. I only see a doctor if there is something big going on with my health, and then I am referred to Basset where I again have to go with the process of waiting and screening.

As a civilian now, I receive the best care in the world, but from "my" civilian doctors. Military members can't choose doctors nor hospital.

P.S. This too is something that is not as common in the civilian workforce:

Veteran Suicide: Are We Losing The Battle?[/quote]
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Old 11-06-2011, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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hmmm the average service member, E2 or E6 etc, and their dependents get better and more inclusive healthcare than any civilian i have ever known. where else can you get put to sleep for minor procedures that civilians have to endure pain in a civilian doctor's office for because insurance wont cover anesthesia? where else can you get free plastic surgery just for the asking? where else can you get admitted for free overnight into a hospital just because you are single and alone? (i am too but guess what, i am sent home to suffer it out myself). where else can you get a vasectomy one year, get divorced and get remarried and have it reversed the next year, get divorced again and get another vasectomy, and keep on going as long as you want to keep changing wives? where else can you get free refractive eye surgery, ok i can understand those in combat getting it, but even those who dont deploy, and also their wives/husbands? i could go on and on.....and all these are free. yes they do "sacrifice" alot with having to deploy and move and do ftx's etc, but my goodness, i cant think of another job where you get this many free health care benefits.



quote=RayinAK;21600076]Military healthcare may be the best in the world, but the average GI joe does not receive such care. High ranking officials, members of Congress, and the President receive the type of healthcare you are talking about.

Lets say that I go to the "best healthcare in the world" at Eielson AFB. In this case, I go to a little clinic, get inline, and in a chance in 100 I may see a doctor. What I usually see is a nurse and a PA. I only see a doctor if there is something big going on with my health, and then I am referred to Basset where I again have to go with the process of waiting and screening.

As a civilian now, I receive the best care in the world, but from "my" civilian doctors. Military members can't choose doctors nor hospital.

P.S. This too is something that is not as common in the civilian workforce:

Veteran Suicide: Are We Losing The Battle?
[/quote]
As I said before, the best jobs around aren't with the military, unless you are a civilian contractor or security working in Iraq and other places. The best jobs in Alaska usually are with the State, and the reason is as follows: better wages, benefits, and healthcare, you get paid for every over-time hour you work, your S.S. taxes go into market retirement accounts, the State pays for most of your healthcare (Blueshield/Blue Cross of Alaska), the State appoints a portion of money into PERS for your retirement, and so forth. State workers can travel anywhere around the US for healthcare with the doctor of hospital of their choice, etc., people can have surgery in the best hospitals in the nation, and the State pays for most of this insurance.

Other jobs that pay well are with the oil and mining companies, but still, these jobs sometimes don't last but a few years. All depends on the oil and mining market. By the time you add the long hours and rotating TDYs in the military, plus the chance to be killed at any moment, their free healthcare is not free. If you think it's that good, why don't all Americans enlist in the military?

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Old 11-06-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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in response to your post below....i am federal govt, maybe i should have gone state....
the reason why more americans dont go military is cuz they dont know how good it is. but now its too late. when the economy went south, everyone and their brother joined, even broke down ones. now there is a surplus and they are overstrength....


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As I said before, the best jobs around aren't with the military, unless you are a civilian contractor or security working in Iraq and other places. The best jobs in Alaska usually are with the State, and the reason is as follows: better wages, benefits, and healthcare, you get paid for every over-time hour you work, your S.S. taxes go into market retirement accounts, the State pays for most of your healthcare (Blueshield/Blue Cross of Alaska), the State appoints a portion of money into PERS for your retirement, and so forth. State workers can travel anywhere around the US for healthcare with the doctor of hospital of their choice, etc., people can have surgery in the best hospitals in the nation, and the State pays for most of this insurance.

Other jobs that pay well are with the oil and mining companies, but still, these jobs sometimes don't last but a few years. All depends on the oil and mining market. By the time you add the long hours and rotating TDYs in the military, plus the chance to be killed at any moment, their free healthcare is not free. If you think it's that good, why don't all Americans enlist in the military?

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Old 11-06-2011, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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in response to your post below....i am federal govt, maybe i should have gone state....
the reason why more americans dont go military is cuz they dont know how good it is. but now its too late. when the economy went south, everyone and their brother joined, even broke down ones. now there is a surplus and they are overstrength....
Are you aware that I spent over 20 years in the active duty military? I already know how military life is. Also, I am working on my second retirement with the State. I tried several times to explain to you some of the differences between the military and State jobs, but I don't think I got through

A lot of the Federal jobs are good, too, and better than active duty military members. You can even have unions if you want too. In fact by average, Federal Government workers make a lot more than workers in the private sector. The private sector workers are the ones being screwed for the past two years.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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Are you aware that I spent over 20 years in the active duty military? I already know how military life is. Also, I am working on my second retirement with the State. I tried several times to explain to you some of the differences between the military and State jobs, but I don't think I got through

A lot of the Federal jobs are good, too, and better than active duty military members. You can even have unions if you want too. In fact by average, Federal Government workers make a lot more than workers in the private sector. The private sector workers are the ones being screwed for the past two years.
Its true. The graduating students with college degrees are being told to join the federal workforce in anyway possible. Be it direct employment or contact employment. Once a person is in government employ they will take care of their own, and screw the little guy out of competition.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:15 PM
 
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You really don't know much about the military or warfare. Everyone plays a vital part, the grunt on the ground is supported by the entire military machine, from the air support to the tank mechanic to the cook that feeds folks at the back lines. That is "if" we are winning, if we are getting our butts handed to us then nobody is safe.

"Army of One" is a bunch of crap, you are a one of many.

Clear you appear to have a distain or don't understand the military and it's reason for being. It isn't a social program, it's job is to be there so when it's called can crush our enemies with massive death and distruction so that keeps you safe. You can't pick and choose, the Military is either able and ready in peace time or it's not when needed, the Socialist seem to think it is just a game, as 9/11 proved, after Clinton gutted the military to balance the buget and support social programs, while others plot to kill Americans.

After 9/11 the military had to be built back up to respond.

The next 9/11 will just be a popcorn fart next time we are Attacked.
I never said that all that support is not nessicary I just dont think the "after separation" bennifits should be the same for everyone. thoes involved in DIRECT combat and exposed to the greatest risk or that were actually injured in combat should recieve these huge separation/retirement bennies all the rest should have a 401k and the tax payer should be off the hook once they are no longer in uniform.

Military pensions are costing us WAY to much money to support long after they are done with their job. If you were injured in combat defending this nation thats different, this nation owes you. But if you just did you job and got out (separtion/retirement) then you just get your 401k and thats it.

Its the same with some of these plush gov job retirement bennies, the tax payer simply can not afford it any longer. Not to mention the welfare and illegals (but I think they are a burden largly to local gov's).

I am all for pouring money into weapons research (as long as we bring back top secret and have litteral hangings for spys) or maintaining out hi tech equipment, etc but not for some military retiree to get a second gov job and collect 2 pensions at the tax payers expense, or even sit around and get fat on their O-5/6 military retirement, sorry dont want to pay for it.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:21 PM
 
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As I said before, the best jobs around aren't with the military, unless you are a civilian contractor or security working in Iraq and other places. The best jobs in Alaska usually are with the State, and the reason is as follows: better wages, benefits, and healthcare, you get paid for every over-time hour you work, your S.S. taxes go into market retirement accounts, the State pays for most of your healthcare (Blueshield/Blue Cross of Alaska), the State appoints a portion of money into PERS for your retirement, and so forth. State workers can travel anywhere around the US for healthcare with the doctor of hospital of their choice, etc., people can have surgery in the best hospitals in the nation, and the State pays for most of this insurance.

Other jobs that pay well are with the oil and mining companies, but still, these jobs sometimes don't last but a few years. All depends on the oil and mining market. By the time you add the long hours and rotating TDYs in the military, plus the chance to be killed at any moment, their free healthcare is not free. If you think it's that good, why don't all Americans enlist in the military?[/quote]

The military work life ballance sucks but they are very well compensated for it unless you are E-4 and below.
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