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Old 11-05-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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Yep, as a private company actually tasked with making money (I know, shocking to the OWS crowd ), Denali quickly determined that the Alaska Gas Line is an economic Albatross in today's market. Thanks to government meddling of AGIA though, Trans Canada of course is still proceeding with this charade because the state of AK is on the hook for half a Billion dollars just for them to produce some pretty drawings. (Thank you Sarah Palin )


Here of course the Enviro-nuts have simply resorted to filing baseless lawsuits simply because they know they clog up the process for 6-12 months. And with such a short drilling season, each lawsuit effectively delays the project for another year. Lawyers win - Alaska economy loses. (though even the Democrat Weasel Begich claims this time that the 2012 permits are so airtight that the latest Kook lawsuit will go no-where. We shall see).



And here is yet another example:

Inlet gas find called largest in 25 years: Oil | Alaska news at adn.com

We've been trying to get these jack-up rigs into the inlet for years because we are so short of gas here in So. Central. But of course this has been delayed due to all sorts of roadblocks, the latest being that Escopeta is being sued by Obama/Holder for violating the Jones act. And now of course that they announce they actually have found gas, I'm sure the tree-huggers will start filing endless lawsuits there as well. Probably claiming that any proposed new drill site interferes with some rare spotted Beluga's favorite cr@pping spot or some such (even though we've been drilling for gas up here fore decades already).
Denali pipeline from the North Slope of Alaska to Alberta would of been 2,000 miles. Then another 1,500 miles of pipeline from Alberta, Canada into -48 US markets.
That would of been the gift that kept on giving. Unlike the oil pipe line, once it starts to deteriorate the ball game is over. Why put billions of dollars into and old line, when they are making so much more with less hassle an no pipe line in North Dakota.

There was talk of running the Denali pipe line split into the Kenai Peninsula to.

The tree huggers, liberals, lobbies are not the ones keeping Alaska afloat. It is the oil and gas companies. The small villages and big town will be the ones suffering.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:05 AM
 
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I have said it before on another thread and ill say it again herefor my own therapeutic benefit. We should model brazils economy as far as oil goes anyway.

100% of the fuel used there is derived from sugar cane and sugar beets, 0% fossil oil. Their government owns the majority of their oil drilling companies and the people own the refineries and distribution agencies. Those companies buy from the government then the government buys it back. Its a win win for both. Why is that? Well nearly 100% of the oil based products are shipped out of country at a huge profit for the people and the government! We have enough oil fields that are known already in the golf of mexico, ANWAR, and the beaufort sea that we could be self sufficient in 10 years. Whynot open drilling and add to our strategic reserves instead of giving our reserve away and getting nothing for it?

There is a conspiracy theory out there about us not mining any oil in order to kill off other countries fields and reserves instead of our own and make them beg for us later on in the future. Me however, i dont think our government has thought that far ahead in that regards anyway.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:45 AM
 
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Isn't that what "Depressed" people do, get drunk and eat Pizza?

Bars have never had it bad during a bad time! Wonder why?
Except that fire tap and mooses tooth are mid to high end establishments that just happen to have a bar area. I could see that logic for georges homestead lounge or koots but not mid to high end dinning. Even places like brew house are packed to the brim with a min of a 30 min wait on a random wednesday night.

Thoes are not "bars" in the traditional sense, they are expensive places to eat and they are packed, that is not indicitive of an economy where everyone is broke.
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Old 11-06-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Except that fire tap and mooses tooth are mid to high end establishments that just happen to have a bar area. I could see that logic for georges homestead lounge or koots but not mid to high end dinning. Even places like brew house are packed to the brim with a min of a 30 min wait on a random wednesday night.

Thoes are not "bars" in the traditional sense, they are expensive places to eat and they are packed, that is not indicitive of an economy where everyone is broke.

Well it's a matter of what your preferences are, but both types of places do well in down economies, as do the movies. People want an escape from what ails them. Can't blame them either!
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Bliss Township, Michigan
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Movies, bars and casino's all seem to do quite well during down times.
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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Movies, bars and casino's all seem to do quite well during down times.
Because of events during the great depression dog food now has to be made according to human food standards. And already in many "depression prone " areas the sale of dog food has doubled..
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Old 11-06-2011, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Because of events during the great depression dog food now has to be made according to human food standards. And already in many "depression prone " areas the sale of dog food has doubled..
What? Instead of salted peanuts bars now have dog food at the counter?
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Manhattan Island
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Do you guys just enjoy scaring the living hell out of yourselves? Despite the fact that some of what you're saying is true, why sit around and do the right-wing doom-and-gloom thing? I mean, you realize that "tree huggers" and "hippie liberals" and "commies" or various other things you're afraid of aren't the reason the economy is going downhill right? The state's got WAY too many of its eggs in the same basket. When oil is 80% of your revenue as someone said, that in itself is an indication that something is wrong.

Rather than "drill baby drill", has anyone ever considered trying to establish and build up some other kind of industry in the state? Drilling and mining is not the only way to make money. There are tons of kinds of industries that Alaska could work on developing, but everyone just thinks oil is the cure-all for any economic woes. While it does produce a lot of revenue, it's not the only option. The reason I know this is because my part of the country has all of its eggs in the tourism basket, and we're doing terribly as far as jobs and industry are concerned because we aren't inviting to businesses. Basically, Western NC's tourism is Alaska's oil, although not quite as extreme a percentage.

And don't get me wrong here: I'm not against responsible oil drilling and mineral mining at all. The Beaufort Sea rigs were going to be placed in a very, very bad spot based on all the press I've seen about the matter. It's a difficult dilemma with those Beaufort rigs: damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Palmer
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Do you guys just enjoy scaring the living hell out of yourselves? Despite the fact that some of what you're saying is true, why sit around and do the right-wing doom-and-gloom thing? I mean, you realize that "tree huggers" and "hippie liberals" and "commies" or various other things you're afraid of aren't the reason the economy is going downhill right? The state's got WAY too many of its eggs in the same basket. When oil is 80% of your revenue as someone said, that in itself is an indication that something is wrong.

Rather than "drill baby drill", has anyone ever considered trying to establish and build up some other kind of industry in the state? Drilling and mining is not the only way to make money. There are tons of kinds of industries that Alaska could work on developing, but everyone just thinks oil is the cure-all for any economic woes. While it does produce a lot of revenue, it's not the only option. The reason I know this is because my part of the country has all of its eggs in the tourism basket, and we're doing terribly as far as jobs and industry are concerned because we aren't inviting to businesses. Basically, Western NC's tourism is Alaska's oil, although not quite as extreme a percentage.

And don't get me wrong here: I'm not against responsible oil drilling and mineral mining at all. The Beaufort Sea rigs were going to be placed in a very, very bad spot based on all the press I've seen about the matter. It's a difficult dilemma with those Beaufort rigs: damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Alaska's economy is based on natural resources. If Alaska cannot develop it's natural resources it's economy will die...plain and simple.

I'm old enough to remember Alaska before oil...and I liked it. I would like it again, but the process of getting back to that point would be extremely painful.
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Old 11-06-2011, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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Do you guys just enjoy scaring the living hell out of yourselves? Despite the fact that some of what you're saying is true, why sit around and do the right-wing doom-and-gloom thing? I mean, you realize that "tree huggers" and "hippie liberals" and "commies" or various other things you're afraid of aren't the reason the economy is going downhill right? The state's got WAY too many of its eggs in the same basket. When oil is 80% of your revenue as someone said, that in itself is an indication that something is wrong.

Rather than "drill baby drill", has anyone ever considered trying to establish and build up some other kind of industry in the state? Drilling and mining is not the only way to make money. There are tons of kinds of industries that Alaska could work on developing, but everyone just thinks oil is the cure-all for any economic woes. While it does produce a lot of revenue, it's not the only option. The reason I know this is because my part of the country has all of its eggs in the tourism basket, and we're doing terribly as far as jobs and industry are concerned because we aren't inviting to businesses. Basically, Western NC's tourism is Alaska's oil, although not quite as extreme a percentage.

And don't get me wrong here: I'm not against responsible oil drilling and mineral mining at all. The Beaufort Sea rigs were going to be placed in a very, very bad spot based on all the press I've seen about the matter. It's a difficult dilemma with those Beaufort rigs: damned if you do, damned if you don't.
What kind of industry? High shipping and labor costs are prohibitive-industry in the lower 48 is dying out and going to other countries.
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