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Old 02-19-2012, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Anything on ANWR will be just bait and switch like Keysone will be. If it is passed, it will be regulated to death and the current Administration will claim he tried after he canceled it!
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:45 PM
 
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If I was running an oil company instead of spending billions in court, all the other BS, I would just move out of the US and let everyone pay $10 a gallon and all other oil products for a while.
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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If I was running an oil company instead of spending billions in court, all the other BS, I would just move out of the US and let everyone pay $10 a gallon and all other oil products for a while.
That is precisely what the Democrats have been striving for since 1990. Only they want $50/gallon gasoline.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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Great, the new route will have at least a 5 year delay....that is excluding the usually legal challenges.
Maybe, but don't be so sure ? With a possible confrontation between Israel and Iran really heating up, WTI reportedly is trading at 'bout 105 right now and Brent is in the 120 ballpark, and remember lots and lots of people back east get their crude from Europe because of the lack of domestic pipeline infrastrucute to transport oil to their area, and back east is where the most massive amount of electoral college votes are for the Prez election this fall. I'm not gonna be totally surprised if Obama gets some old time fossil-fuel religion before the election and accelerates a favorable decision on Keystone if gas at the pumps doesn't turn around and head lower in coming months ?
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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gas prices here in cali jumped .25 in two days as the news of Israel/Iran starts to shake things up. ANWR is a complex issue and I am not an authority by any means. But the earth is a living entity and we already have examples of actions she'll create when mankind f's with her.
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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gas prices here in cali jumped .25 in two days as the news of Israel/Iran starts to shake things up. ANWR is a complex issue and I am not an authority by any means. But the earth is a living entity and we already have examples of actions she'll create when mankind f's with her.
If you think drilling holes that are less than a pin prick to a whale, just wait til the sand box starts trading nukes. Something our Politicions could have stopped decades ago but ignored.

WWIII will affect all of us, you're either ready for some hard times or your not!

On the eve of WWII, everyone thought Hitler was just a big mouth in Europe, over 50,000,000 people died worldwide, Nukes are going to be a lot more efficient at making those numbers a lot higher!

So it makes perfect sense for us to put all our military resources into one spot so that one strike take those assets out of the picture! Course it won't make Los Anchorage very happy!
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Palmer
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About 10bb in ANWR and about 27bb offshore in the arctic. But NOOOOO we can't touch that, it makes some people too squeamish
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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If you think drilling holes that are less than a pin prick to a whale, just wait til the sand box starts trading nukes. Something our Politicions could have stopped decades ago but ignored.

WWIII will affect all of us, you're either ready for some hard times or your not!

On the eve of WWII, everyone thought Hitler was just a big mouth in Europe, over 50,000,000 people died worldwide, Nukes are going to be a lot more efficient at making those numbers a lot higher!

So it makes perfect sense for us to put all our military resources into one spot so that one strike take those assets out of the picture! Course it won't make Los Anchorage very happy!
I don't see WWIII anytime soon but clearly Israel and Iran are on a collision course. My point is that the earth is not dependent upon us....it's the other way around. An asteroid can really solve most of the bs. The earth will defend herself.

She has already taken a shot at Japan and the food chain.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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About 10bb in ANWR and about 27bb offshore in the arctic. But NOOOOO we can't touch that, it makes some people too squeamish
"With respect to the world oil price impact, projected ANWR oil production constitutes between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030, based on the low and high resource cases, respectively.17 Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices. Relative to the AEO2008 reference case, ANWR oil production is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light (LSL) crude oil18 prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 in the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 in the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 in the high oil resource case. Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount"

EIA - Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Results

The potential destruction is not worth such pathetic results that will be temporary.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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"With respect to the world oil price impact, projected ANWR oil production constitutes between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030, based on the low and high resource cases, respectively.17 Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices. Relative to the AEO2008 reference case, ANWR oil production is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light (LSL) crude oil18 prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 in the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 in the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 in the high oil resource case. Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount"

EIA - Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Results

The potential destruction is not worth such pathetic results that will be temporary.
You really need to get out and go see the Alaskan Oilfields, they are highly regulated and clean.

The drilling footprint in ANWR isnt even a spot on the map.

Doing no drilling and relying on people that hate America for our source of energy is just stupid. For those that think doing nothing is better, are worse than those that take our money to kill ours soldiers.

Drill Baby, Drill! And look for a replacement techoligy instead of cutting off our nose to spite our face.
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