09-21-2008, 07:10 PM
Location: Florida
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I also don't want to see Alaska ruined. Nothing wrong with folks moving there but don't try to make it like the place you left because then Alaska will have a good percentage of unfriendly, cold people who only care about their own agenda..
So just my 2 cents and then some lol.
Ya need a hug Pat. I'm sorry you are having a difficult time of it here, though I surely know where you are coming from. Which is also what I'm so desperate to escape.
09-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Location: Wasilla
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Hi Met. Sorry for venting but just has been a miserable weekend. At this point we just aren't sure what we should do. I do want to make a decision soon but I don't want to be too rash with it either. Yes, the Walmart culture can be a bit challenging. LOL
Wow, I wish you the best. I don't miss lower-48 crap in the slightest. Coming from San Jose, and even western PA(which is where I've spent 36 of my 39 years), I must admit that I love Alaska.
I spent 30 minutes at my place of employment yesterday talking about the merits of various handgun ammunitions with one of our customers. You just don't get that anywhere else.
09-22-2008, 06:46 AM
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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give it a little while before making a decision, but it does sound like you will be happier back in Alaska. The grass always seems greener on the other side. As for kids and being closer to them, this is important, especially as you get older and I am glad we are closer to ours, but you are right about having time for you. They get busy, have their own lives and just don't realize how much we want to see them.
As for heat and humidity, remember, in a few weeks that will be gone as well. good luck with whatever you decide to do, try and find the bright side. If you decide to re-locate back to Alaska, you know you gave the move a try, if you decide to stay in Ohio, you can make friends and find nice people.
Nita
09-22-2008, 08:53 AM
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Pat, I feel badly for you. I think you should go back to Alaska.
I agree with you about so many things and reading your post makes me feel pretty lucky that my lower 48 experience has been way more positive than not. And I feel lucky that I don't have to choose; I fully intend on having the best of both worlds until I get so old they stick me in a home somewhere.
The people...I just don't know. There's a certain breed of Oregonian that's damn near insufferable and they seem to have multiplied exponentially in recent years. Smug people. And then there's the whole Wal*Mart culture crowd. The whole thing can wear you down sometimes.
It was the early '90s when we first started looking for property in the Lower 48, WA, OR, and the Ozarks. The prices were good, there were sales of uncut timberland in WA, anywhere from 10K up for 20 acres with a cabin and more in the north central mountains of WA, desert in OR, around 20K for 80+ acres of southern OR close enough to see CA on a clear day - both of those states included all mineral rights as well, then. The Ozaks farm/hunting land was as low as 100.00/acre and less, if one bought a big enough chunk of it. WA and OR were closer to his family, the Ozarks was just because it's beautiful country. We ended up not being able to decide, since we really didn't plan to move for another 20 years at the least. But one agent I talked to in the Ozarks couldn't get his mind wrapped around the concept that while yes, we were looking for a place to 'retire' to, we absolutely did NOT want to be next door to Wal-Mart. He said everything else was 'too remote' and wouldn't be suitable. I kept trying to tell him that 'remote' in my language did not mean 10 miles from town on a good road, but a place where one had to fly in. He just didn't get it.
I've ended up after all in a place where I either have to shop at Wal-Mart or on line, but it's locally referred to as 'The World's Smallest Wal-Mart' and I do think it is. I've seen grocery stores in AK a lot bigger, and there are still other stores to shop at. And I feel most fortunate that the people I've met are all friendly and helpful - I guess if they aren't, they just don't bother saying 'hello' in the first place, so I never come into contact with them.
04-29-2009, 07:06 PM
Location: Arkansas
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Well, I am the original poster of this thread! It has been over 2 1/2 years since I wrote it, so I thought I'd give a quick follow up. I left Alaska and quite frankly, it was the most difficult thing I have ever done!! We relocated to North central Arkansas. They have things here that do not exist in Alaska. Let me explain. Ticks! snakes, tornadoes, ticks, racoons, opposums, ticks, armadillos, ticks, snakes, ticks..... I will admit, the grass was not greener here and I knew it would not be. It is just as brown. Same problems different location. Different people, same problems. I really have not adjusted well, but I do believe that you can not go back. I'm doing OK. Glad to see my post has continued on for so long. Thanks all.
04-29-2009, 07:43 PM
Location: Too far from Alaska
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Kudos to you for realistic approach to life. It is not perfect period. It is us who make it what it is.
04-29-2009, 10:34 PM
Location: The end of the road Alaska
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Lots of times I feel like our little island town has been ruined by "down south" attitudes and think "dammit, I'm outta here!". BUT - if the down south attitudes are creeping up here I can't imagine what it must be like to live down there!
Funny this thread should show up. I was just yesterday remembering some of the good times, like the bank calling to tell me to get down there and put some money in 'cause my check to the hardware store will bounce by days end. Or the days when we had a telephone operator. I'd dial a friend's number and the operator would come on telling me "she just went into the drugstore, do you want me to ring over there?" It's only been a few years we've had to dial 7 numbers and it still pisses us off!.
You could leave your entire paycheck on the bar at the Totem and the bartender would simply put it in the safe 'til you came in looking for it. The bar, by the way, where my dog curled up at my feet after receiving his treat of moose jerkey from the bartender.
You could leave your fishing gear, jugs of fuel and everything in your skiff 'til the next time and know nothing would be disturbed.
The list goes on and on, but Alaska is STILL the only place on the planet I could live.
I am, however, glad you're doing okay down there, Jam. Do you ever think about coming back home?
04-30-2009, 12:58 AM
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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I lived in Salem and Ash Flat for a couple winters. East of Mountain Home. I loved it there...except for those damn ticks! I could get out of the truck, walk across the lawn, and stop on the porch for a minute only to feel a tick or two crawling up my leg's!
But I met great folks, ate great food (catfish and hushpuppies), some pretty country, and drooled over many classic trucks and cars. I never got to see a tornado tho. And I sure wanted to. Cost of living was very cheap. I have not been back since 1985 so things may have changed. Did I mention the ticks!
04-30-2009, 01:27 AM
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Well, I am the original poster of this thread! It has been over 2 1/2 years since I wrote it, so I thought I'd give a quick follow up. I left Alaska and quite frankly, it was the most difficult thing I have ever done!! We relocated to North central Arkansas. They have things here that do not exist in Alaska. Let me explain. Ticks! snakes, tornadoes, ticks, racoons, opposums, ticks, armadillos, ticks, snakes, ticks..... I will admit, the grass was not greener here and I knew it would not be. It is just as brown. Same problems different location. Different people, same problems. I really have not adjusted well, but I do believe that you can not go back. I'm doing OK. Glad to see my post has continued on for so long. Thanks all.
Well, Jam',
I am sorry hear U were unable to find your exact dream place in the lower 48. I've remember your original post and had always been curious as to what ever happen to that nice young fellow. I am afraid I must confess. I am one of those you were trying to avoid when you've decided to move. At this very moment, I am slowly packing to move up toward your former state now that I have a lot to built my shack on. Like U, I am trying to leave behind the very same type of people. But, like you said, people are people. HAVE A GREAT LIFE!!
09-09-2009, 10:40 PM
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I think it's true. Alaska has changed for the worse. My brother came up here in 1953 and to me was one of those "true pioneers" up here who served at Ft Rich in the Army Corps of Engineers and helped build the Pipeline in the 1970's, and later had a cabin in Copper Center. He loved Alaska and loved to fish and hunt. He could remember when Anchorage was about 4,000 people and told me there were "more whorehouses and houses of ill repute than any other business!~" Go figure!~
My brother now has althemizer's and dying from it in Washington State. I wish I had listened more to his stories about this state.
I came up in 1998 and my experiences totally different than my brother's. But we were both loners, hurt alot by the opposite sex, and told by people--"We were the best people they'd ever met."
I am returning to Oregon this year because of health problems, a survivor of cancer, and I can't handle the long, cold winters and cost of living up here anymore. The only reason I am on disabilityi that I've been too sick to work. That's all I've done is work my entire life.
Now I see these snot nosed kids coming up here thinking they know "everything." Someday they'll get sick, they'll get cancer diagnosis and see how they survive then?
They have absolutely no respect for anyone, going by on 4 wheeler's at all hours, snow mobiles in the winter, using their drugs & alcohol, leaving their litter for someone else to clean up, partying all night and keeping neighbors up, shooting at innocent animals, and calling themselves "Alaskan's!" Yeah right!
I had a drunken "Alaskan" come to my house a few days before my surgery for cancer and scream at me for going too slow in front of him! I went up to him and asked--"What is your problem other than you are a drunken imbecile of a man!" And I called the troopers on him!
I had this woman at Walmart call me a fat a-- one day because of using the handicap cart. I told her--"Well you know lady I can alway loose weight but ugly goes skin deep you know?" I am just sick and tired of the ugliness you know?
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Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)