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Old 04-15-2008, 10:34 AM
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And where you have lived has how much significance? I'm willing to bet the 20 years I lived in a highway community is longer than you've done so.
You tell me, Floyd; you're the one who brought it up. I merely disabused you of your assumptions regarding in what parts of the state I've lived.


Along with the dictionary, Wikipedia also defines a suburb as a "commuter town". Sorry, but outside of Wasilla, they ain't much commuting to Anchorage for work purposes going on in the Mat-Su. Marty's assessment was more right on than that and pretty much holds true for parts of the Kenai as well.

That aside, my main objection was the use of terminology such as "merely" and "nothing more" when used in conjunction with the word "suburb". My opinion, once again, is that the Mat-Su is a bit more than that.

As for your comments about living elsewhere, whether they're directed at me or not, most of my time in Alaska was "elsewhere" than the Mat-Su. I first went there from a bush location and had no trouble differentiating Talkeetna from Anchorage, by the way.

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Would it be appropriate for me to hope there are at least three or four days without rain were you live this summer...
Actually, it would be ; they'll be more than enough rain-free days this summer without your hopes becoming involved.
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:29 PM
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You tell me, Floyd; you're the one who brought it up. I merely disabused you of your assumptions regarding in what parts of the state I've lived.
You brought it up, and you are repeatedly bringing it up.

My point is you haven't got a valid point.

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Along with the dictionary, Wikipedia also defines a suburb as a "commuter town". Sorry, but outside of Wasilla, they ain't much commuting to Anchorage for work purposes going on in the Mat-Su. Marty's assessment was more right on than that and pretty much holds true for parts of the Kenai as well.
Dictionaries do not define "suburb" as "commuter town". Neither does Wikipedia.

You are repeatedly mistaking additive descriptions as exclusive definitions. Wikipedia says that "most" suburbs are "communter towns". But it does not define "suburb" in terms of "commuter town". I.e., it does not claim that all suburbs are communter towns or that all commuter towns are suburbs.

Commuting does not define suburbs. Your entire discussion is invalid.

A suburb is *any* residential district located on the outskirts of a city. That includes Wasilla, and virtually every other community all the way up the road to Talketna, though granted that by that distance the connection is tenuous.
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That aside, my main objection was the use of terminology such as "merely" and "nothing more" when used in conjunction with the word "suburb". My opinion, once again, is that the Mat-Su is a bit more than that.
Your opinion, as evidenced by the repeated type of discussion above is interesting, but of little value due to poor analysis and lack of sound factual basis.

The point quite clearly is that you do not read words to learn what the the writer intended to express, but instead use whichever definition suits your current mindset. That is a not an uncommon problem that many people suffer from.

To state it more clearly, you aren't reading what I wrote with any intention of understanding what I was trying to communicate. That makes your analysis useless and your opinion therefore worthless.

I clearly did not mean that there is nothing else in the entire Mat-Su Valley. There are remote areas, there are areas with few people at all. But the communities are all merely suburbs of Anchorage. They would not continue to exist if Anchorage slides into Cook Inlet never to be rebuilt.

Compare that to Point Lay. To Kuyukuk, to Mentasta, to Kipnuk, to Sand Point, to Cordova, to Sitka or to Kaktovik. These places exist in their own right, exclusive of the nearest urban area.
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As for your comments about living elsewhere, whether they're directed at me or not, most of my time in Alaska was "elsewhere" than the Mat-Su. I first went there from a bush location and had no trouble differentiating Talkeetna from Anchorage, by the way.
That is a point in your favor, and one of the few sound arguments you've managed to produce. I'm happy to have provide it for you.
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Old 04-15-2008, 09:11 PM
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Nah..

again, you're twisting.

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You brought it up, and you are repeatedly bringing it up.
I brought it up in response to some comment you made a few pages back. You kept harping on it and I kept disabusing you of your misconceptions.

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They would not continue to exist if Anchorage slides into Cook Inlet never to be rebuilt.
Such an occurence would have an extreme affect on the Kenai as well as other parts of the state. Whether we like it or not, most of Alaska is pretty dependent on Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau. On POW we'd be in a hell of mess if Ketchikan ceased to exist; most of our food comes up from the lower 48 from there.


You aren't going to change my opnion, Floyd, no matter how much you tirade about its worthlessness. Perhaps you'll have better luck killing a whale.

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Old 04-15-2008, 09:39 PM
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You aren't going to change my opnion, Floyd
That is clearly true, as facts obviously do not affect your opinion.

But at least in that post you find, backhandedly, admit it.
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:04 PM
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But at least in that post you find, backhandedly, admit it.
What was that? It makes no sense. If you're going to come across as some sort of great oracle of wisdom, at least use proper English. I hope your whaling harpoon's sharper than your grammar.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:54 AM
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What was that? It makes no sense. If you're going to come across as some sort of great oracle of wisdom, at least use proper English. I hope your whaling harpoon's sharper than your grammar.
Yes. like everyone else I make typos. You perhaps cannot, but most people can read around them. And in the end all is well.

That is not true of people who cannot tell a typo from poor grammar, and then stoop to insulting others about typos, spelling errors, or grammar.

The stink from that does not wash off. You will remain marked for life...
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:15 AM
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LOL. You must really be losing it, Floyd. You're sounding darn near rabid.

Actually, with your type, I'd prefer not to try to interpret your grammatical mistakes.
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Old 04-16-2008, 03:36 PM
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LOL. You must really be losing it, Floyd. You're sounding darn near rabid.

Actually, with your type, I'd prefer not to try to interpret your grammatical mistakes.
You are now repeatedly posting nothing but gratuitous personal insults and trivially pointless absurdities.
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Old 04-16-2008, 04:43 PM
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Yawn. Go kill a whale or something cultural, Floyd.
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