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Old 11-15-2012, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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Oh... I was teasing more than anything right there...

but those things have crossed my mind, nonetheless...
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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What if the USA turns Communist?
You clearly missed out on the last election. WE are on our way without a shot being fired.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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You clearly missed out on the last election. WE are on our way without a shot being fired.
Ron Paul said it quite well yesterday:

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Too many people have for too long placed too much confidence and trust in government and not enough in themselves. Fortunately, many are now becoming aware of the seriousness of the gross mistakes of the past several decades. The blame is shared by both political parties. Many Americans now are demanding to hear the plain truth of things and want the demagoguing to stop. Without this first step, solutions are impossible.

Seeking the truth and finding the answers in liberty and self-reliance promotes the optimism necessary for restoring prosperity. The task is not that difficult if politics doesn’t get in the way.

We have allowed ourselves to get into such a mess for various reasons.

Politicians deceive themselves as to how wealth is produced. Excessive confidence is placed in the judgment of politicians and bureaucrats. This replaces the confidence in a free society. Too many in high places of authority became convinced that only they, armed with arbitrary government power, can bring about fairness, while facilitating wealth production. This always proves to be a utopian dream and destroys wealth and liberty. It impoverishes the people and rewards the special interests who end up controlling both political parties.
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Economic ignorance is commonplace. Keynesianism continues to thrive, although today it is facing healthy and enthusiastic rebuttals. Believers in military Keynesianism and domestic Keynesianism continue to desperately promote their failed policies, as the economy languishes in a deep slumber.

Supporters of all government edicts use humanitarian arguments to justify them.

Humanitarian arguments are always used to justify government mandates related to the economy, monetary policy, foreign policy, and personal liberty. This is on purpose to make it more difficult to challenge. But, initiating violence for humanitarian reasons is still violence. Good intentions are no excuse and are just as harmful as when people use force with bad intentions. The results are always negative.

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I have thought a lot about why those of us who believe in liberty, as a solution, have done so poorly in convincing others of its benefits. If liberty is what we claim it is- the principle that protects all personal, social and economic decisions necessary for maximum prosperity and the best chance for peace- it should be an easy sell. Yet, history has shown that the masses have been quite receptive to the promises of authoritarians which are rarely if ever fulfilled.

If authoritarianism leads to poverty and war and less freedom for all individuals and is controlled by rich special interests, the people should be begging for liberty. There certainly was a strong enough sentiment for more freedom at the time of our founding that motivated those who were willing to fight in the revolution against the powerful British government.
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Freedom, private property, and enforceable voluntary contracts, generate wealth. In our early history we were very much aware of this. But in the early part of the 20th century our politicians promoted the notion that the tax and monetary systems had to change if we were to involve ourselves in excessive domestic and military spending. That is why Congress gave us the Federal Reserve and the income tax. The majority of Americans and many government officials agreed that sacrificing some liberty was necessary to carry out what some claimed to be “progressive” ideas. Pure democracy became acceptable.

They failed to recognized that what they were doing was exactly opposite of what the colonists were seeking when they broke away from the British.
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Today we face a dependency on government largesse for almost every need. Our liberties are restricted and government operates outside the rule of law, protecting and rewarding those who buy or coerce government into satisfying their demands.
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The major stumbling block to real change in Washington is the total resistance to admitting that the country is broke. This has made compromising, just to agree to increase spending, inevitable since neither side has any intention of cutting spending.
» Ron Paul’s Farewell to Congress Speech: Transcript Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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Hmmmm....
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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Who else but Ron Paul would make his farewell speech to an empty chamber of Congress? As has been asked "If a tree falls deep in the forest where no one can hear it does it make any noise?" If Ron Paul released a transcript of his proposed speech and then left to crow over a beer in his favorite pub who would care to read such a document but another Libertarian? By the way he makes a distinction between a Liber and a Conserve but try to decipher what he meant.
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Anchorage Suburbanites and part time Willowbillies
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Almost all, if not all, the speeches that you see in the Senate or Congress that shows only the senator or congressman that is speaking is in an empty chamber. There may be a few supporters or on-lookers, an official recorder and of course a camera person.

And no, I’m not a Ron Paul supporter. Although I do share some Libertarian beliefs; smaller government, less government regulations, balanced budget, etc.

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Old 11-17-2012, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Who else but Ron Paul would make his farewell speech to an empty chamber of Congress? As has been asked "If a tree falls deep in the forest where no one can hear it does it make any noise?" If Ron Paul released a transcript of his proposed speech and then left to crow over a beer in his favorite pub who would care to read such a document but another Libertarian? By the way he makes a distinction between a Liber and a Conserve but try to decipher what he meant.
Awe Richelles, you know they all preach to an empty chamber like Hogfamily said. I know you're way too sharp not to know that! You must be getting into politics now

Just turn on Cspan just about anytime and that is what they are lined up to do, wait for their turn to talk to nobody....
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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I don't have news... other than local...

I've either gotten facts from the comedy radio station or the computer for two years now...

I then sort out what is a joke and what is fact with common sense...

(Like I know Hostess wouldn't shut down in a million years... that was a joke on there very recently...)
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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I hear that a Mexican bakery, Grupo Bimbo is going to buy the assests...

The new company, the Bimbo Hostess will continue to make twinkies and wonderbread.

(and yes, that is a real Mexican bakery company - look them up)

Had to lighten this thread up, with all this doom and gloom politics...
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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Thanks...
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