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Old 12-02-2012, 10:43 PM
 
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Alaska salmon disaster SBA loans available for Copper River | Alaska Dispatch

It...can no longer be disputed that something's going terribly wrong with Alaska's king run.

Nah, it's not the Japanese nuclear toxic waste (yet -- potential affected runs are still at least one year out). This was starting to happen before the earthquake in Japan anyway.

Whatever it is is taking place on the high seas, and it's probably deep net fishing in international waters.

It bears remembering that salmon mature in deep waters. That's why they've traditionally been able to grow up and come back home, but now foreign fishermen have nets that go as far down as the ocean floor.

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Old 12-02-2012, 10:54 PM
 
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It's the effin' Chinese fish pirates!!
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:51 PM
 
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It's the effin' Chinese fish pirates!!
Yep, that's what I've been sayin all along.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:40 AM
 
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Alaska salmon disaster SBA loans available for Copper River | Alaska Dispatch

It...can no longer be disputed that something's going terribly wrong with Alaska's king run.

Nah, it's not the Japanese nuclear toxic waste (yet -- potential affected runs are still at least one year out). This was starting to happen before the earthquake in Japan anyway.

Whatever it is is taking place on the high seas, and it's probably deep net fishing in international waters.

It bears remembering that salmon mature in deep waters. That's why they've traditionally been able to grow up and come back home, but now foreign fishermen have nets that go as far down as the ocean floor.
Been saying that since The mid seventies when I was in the Coast Guard and we boarded the ships in Alaskan waters, I found out how many thousands of miles of nets go out every night. Back then it was somewhere around 70,000 miles a night, I would assume its even double that now at a guess!

Everyone is trying to blame the mines, oil and other oddities but they are looking in the wrong direction. Even the EXXON Valdez spill didn't effect the salmon runs, those ones returned on record numbers and crashed the market

They even found that after all the Nuke tests in the South Pacific, the radiation was somehow defused in the salt water but traces are all over the islands themselves. So I doubt the Japan disaster will be much of an effect except for their fishing fleet that was in port.

Going to be interesting as they track down the other species of salmon too for netting. Modern electronics can just about pick them out by name nowadays.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:33 AM
 
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So sad to read these posts.. Greed will hurt processes that have been going on for thousands of years... and what comes to my mind is all the wild life that depend on those same salmon also... thanks for the heads up and I will want to keep up on the development of those studies/ research...
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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Everyone is not trying to blame the mines or the oil. Everyone may have concerns about what could happen should the Pebble project come to fruition, but everyone knows what's going on out there on the high seas.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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They constantly claim on the Anchorage radio and media of "The gift form the Sea" and it is from the sea that the disaster is looming.

Not the Pebble mine, they made the same type claims for the "not" building the Alaska Pipeline. Which didn't come to pass, but even with the EXXON Valdez spill, it was a big media event, and yet even with the millions of gallons of 100% biodegradable oil spilt, the Salmon returned in record numbers.

The Copper River Mines dumped everything toxic they could think of into the river system in the 1920's and yet the salmon from that region fetch some of the highest prices.

These offshore fleets don't and won't have "Halibut cops" on them and will continue to sweep the seas of its resources to both feed their country's people and sell on the world's market until the Alaska Salmon are gone.

Kinda like like waiting for your ship to come in, but your opportunity arrived at the airport and you missed it!

History is so full of missed opportunities because people ignore history. Off the New England Coast, they have so over fished that, and it is but a fraction of the fish there now that was there 100 years ago. It was simply overfished and is dying. Alaska is on the same path, even the Halibut are fading fast and yet they claim it is sport fishermen...

The salmon catches 100 years ago in Alaskan waters dwarfs what we catch now locally. But nobody really pays attention as the numbers slowly dwindle. Use to be a cannery in just about every Bay or Cove along Alaska's Coast, most have just rusted into the sea when the fish stopped coming, but you can still see the old foundations of pilings, concrete and steel wasting away.

Now we have hatcheries dumping millions of fry into the water trying to rebuild the populations of salmon, but the Foreign Fleets are enjoying the new harvests!

We don't learn a thing!
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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Oh great. Now this is going to become another of those political threads.

F this. Nobody can even post here anymore without some of you hijacking the threads to highlight your political beliefs.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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So sad to read these posts.. Greed will hurt processes that have been going on for thousands of years... and what comes to my mind is all the wild life that depend on those same salmon also... thanks for the heads up and I will want to keep up on the development of those studies/ research...
Greed runs everything... and ruins it.
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