The Alaska Chat Thread (Metlakatla, Hoonah: rent, hotel, vacation)

[User 2]

Originally Posted by Xa'at

I see how they are related, but they are not the same thing. Living with a global world view is all about realizing that we are all the same. People who are isolationists seem to have this idea that Americans are the only people out there, that somehow we don't have any responsibility for their well being. Globalists know that beyond being Americans, we are human beings. Physiologically, being American means NOTHING! Simply a matter of chance that we happened to be born here. Until we of the "first world" begin to understand that, we have no right to call ourselves civilized.

What you might not be considering is that globalism is not the ideologically pure theoretical free trade you imagine.

Tariffs and such were supposed to be done away with, but in practice, those 'isolationist' controls were just renamed and they are still being practiced.

The benefactors changed, but we are no closer to free global trade. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and a few other's now draft those controls, but it's not resulted in free trade as depicted in the dictionaries.

Again, we have policy which masquerades and mocks the pubilc relations campaign meant to make it seem marketable.
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[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by User 2

I'll agree that the free trade agreements are ruinous, and globalism is tied to outsourcing or vice versa.

Care to address those 'other points'?

Maybe then we can get back to telling the story of where NAFTA came from, eh?

You do remember that HW Bush signed that treaty before Clinton took office and that a Republican Majority Congress pushed the successful vote to ratify it?

I'd hate to hear that mischaracterized again...


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Let me address this one first.

Both Bush senior and junior are not true conservative. That should give you an idea of what I am trying to say. Do you remember the term, "read my lips...no more taxes"? What happened after that statement was made? A conservative signing a tax increase?

[User 2]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Let me address this one first.

Both Bush senior and junior are not true conservative. That should give you an idea of what I am trying to say. Do you remember the term, "read my lips...no more taxes"? What happened after that statement was made? A conservative signing a tax increase?

I believe if you look back, HW then went on to sign 4 tax increases, ....not just 'a' tax increase.

I'm well aware of each of the tax cut proposals through the years,

...also how many tax raises were instituted to try to fix the messes.

((ten for Reagan alone)) HW finally came to his senses before he left office.

Junior never had any sense.

No, Reagan, HW and GW are not conservatives. Fascists, oligarchs, megalomaniacs, yes, but not conservatives.

They and their policies are not liberal and it's disingenuous of you to label them as such. (though you're certainly not the first to try)
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[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by User 2

Kind of makes one wonder why the US Government prohibited Carter from monitoring our own elections.......

And Ray,

About your list.....

No Child Left Behind is not a liberal program, there may have been at one time a liberal education reform proposal of that name, but the name was co-opted for a program that isn't descriptive of the name.

It's kind of like Bush's Clear Skies Proposal, ....it sounds like something everyone should support, but all it was is a roll back of previous Clean Air Act provisions and a license to pour more pollutants in the air.

The current NCLB is not a liberal policy.





Amnesty for 'illegals' is a perennial Republican program, the first Amnesty program was instituted by Ronnie RayGun, and the current proposal is designed by Bush and the Republicans to allow their corporate buddies the free license to exploit cheap labor.

Democratic Congressmembers were able to pass some amendments to cut back on Bush's proposal to grant amnesty and bring in an additional 400,000 'guest workers' each year.

Once Bush saw he wouldn't get all he wanted, Republican support was withdrawn by a few key players in the leadership.

In the Senate, which passed their Amnesty bill, Murkowski, and Stevens (and McCain) voted for the passage of Amnesty along with many other Republicans.

Again, the latest amnesty proposal was not a liberal proposal. It was born in the Rethugnant Party of corporate cronyism.




Never has any one but a Republican administration adopted a view that deficits don't matter, and that we can borrow our way to solvency by cutting taxes for the wealthiest of our citizens.

Never has a liberal administration taken this country to war without imposing taxes to pay our way as we go.

Nothing to do with spending is a liberal policy, liberal policy dictates that if you spend, you have to create revenue to pay for the spending. (sort of like every one of us have to do)

This administration's fiscal policy, it's domestic economic policies, it's war spending, all it's spending by borrowing without giving any consideration to raising any revenue is not a liberal policy.

You may be in need of a reminder that the last time we had a surplus, and any recent government attempts to rein in the free traders was during a Democratic administration.



When you remember any more of your 'offerings', .......let me know, ...I might be able to help jog your memory,

........just in case you may not typify things quite as clearly as they may be typified. .....just in case you might mistakenly describe something liberal that is not and never has been liberal.

Now i can address the rest:

1. Carter was not prohibited for monitoring elections. He was personally monitoring elections in those places I mentioned above.

2. The No Child Left Behind, regardless of the parties involved still is another social program, and as such, with close ties to liberals like Ted Kennedy. You will also notice that nowhere in my post did I mention Republicans nor Democrats. I was talking about Bush being "liberal."

3. Amnesty for illegals: again, I was not talking about Republicans nor Democrats, but "liberals." The Amnesty to illegals is in fact a liberal program, regardless of who created it. The answer to this point is in Congress' hands, and the President. Who are the ones backing this program? Conservatives, or liberals? All you have to do is to look at the Congress' voting records. Both Bush and the liberal portion of Congress want this program. Haven't you watched the last debates?

4. Uncle Ted has been quite a liberal for a lot of years now. He was not so long ago, but he is so nowadays. He has done quite a lot of good things for Alaska, I understand that. These days, with all the investigations going on, Uncle has to walk on thin ice. It would not be wise to antagonize the majority in Congress. Lisa has voted for all sorts of liberal programs already, and I considers her another liberal Republican.

5. Political affiliation has nothing to do with conservatism, nor with liberalism. President Bush is conservative in a couple of issues, but liberal on the rest.

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Nothing to do with spending is a liberal policy, liberal policy dictates that if you spend, you have to create revenue to pay for the spending. (sort of like every one of us have to do)

This administration's fiscal policy, it's domestic economic policies, it's war spending, all it's spending by borrowing without giving any consideration to raising any revenue is not a liberal policy.

Ah...You have forgotten the Vietnam War. Who brought us into this war? A Democrat or a Republican? How was that war financed? Was there a tax break signed by John Kennedy, or not? If John Kennedy was alive today, he would be a conservative in regards to the rest of the Democrats of today. He signed tax breaks, and was quite involved in conducting wars.

By the way, the only somewhat "conservative" Republican seeking a nomination at the moment is Thompson. A conservative (compared to other Democrats), is Lieberman. A true conservative is a whole different thing. For example, such a conservative is pro smaller government, strong military, tax breaks, etc.

[Metlakatla]

American involvement in Vietnam predates John Kennedy, Ray.

[Metlakatla]

How was that war financed?

We began giving aid to the South Vietnam's military in 1950.

Who brought us into this war?

You might want to research the Truman Doctrine. It didn't directly start the war, but laid the groundwork for it through foreign policy revisions.

[Rance]

A very good trip. Considering it was middle of winter in Sweden and Norway. They had very little snow. And me in no way being a city person actually enjoyed walking the old town sections of Stockholm and Oslo. They light those cities up bigtime at night. And we got top floor rooms with a view at both hotels, so we had a great view of both cities. I have around 500 pictures to sort through and it's a little hard to do that at this moment sitting here at work. Tomorrow being Sunday I think I'll get a chance right after the football games. The only bummer was the large ice hotel in northern Sweden does not open until Jan 12th. Next year tho...this is where we are going.
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Originally Posted by Rance

A very good trip. Considering it was middle of winter in Sweden and Norway. They had very little snow. And me in no way being a city person actually enjoyed walking the old town sections of Stockholm and Oslo. They light those cities up bigtime at night. And we got top floor rooms with a view at both hotels, so we had a great view of both cities. I have around 500 pictures to sort through and it's a little hard to do that at this moment sitting here at work. Tomorrow being Sunday I think I'll get a chance right after the football games. The only bummer was the large ice hotel in northern Sweden does not open until Jan 12th. Next year tho...this is where we are going.
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Rance that place is unbelievable! Is that really for real? How long can you stay there? Is there any heat anywhere? Can you take a shower? What happens when it warms up? It disappears?

[Rance]

I'm not sure when they close but it opens on Jan 12th.

The Alta igloo hotel - Official Travel Guide to Norway - visitnorway.com

Alta friluftspark

Alta Museum

[Rance]

AKZ203-140000-
CENTRAL BEAUFORT SEA COAST-
INCLUDING...NUIQSUT...PRUDHOE BAY...ALPINE...DEADHORSE...KUPARUK

406 AM AST SUN JAN 13 2008
.TODAY...DECREASING CLOUDS. PATCHY ICE FOG.
HIGHS 40 BELOW TO 45 BELOW. LIGHT WINDS.
.TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. PATCHY ICE FOG.
LOWS 45 BELOW TO 50 BELOW. LIGHT WINDS.
.MONDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY. PATCHY ICE FOG.
HIGHS NEAR 40 BELOW. LIGHT WINDS.
.MONDAY NIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. PATCHY ICE FOG.
LOWS 40 BELOW TO 45 BELOW. SOUTHWEST WINDS AROUND 10 MPH
BECOMING SOUTHEAST AFTER MIDNIGHT.
.TUESDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS 25 BELOW TO 30 BELOW.
EAST WINDS 10 TO 20 MPH.

Sweet! Come Tuesday it's gonna warm up. But then a 20mph wind is gonna make it just a little more miserable. I need a vacation!