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Old 10-30-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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It wasn't like you weren't informed.
What is it none of us are informed about? You started off talking about the amount of radiation being disgorged from Tokyo Electric Power's Nuclear Plants in Fukushima and listed every article that scared the Chicken Little inside you that you were able to find. From your reference sources it is apparent that every other Chicken Little is busy writing about the event with the intent of scaring some other Chicken Little (AKA Hawksnest). I pointed out before that your sources were exaggerating the cumulative effects of the situation and then you come along and pick the base facts and begin to make pronouncements that everyone reading your missive is going to be harmed in some manner because you're scared of the unknown. You have shown to this observer who has worked with nuclear power and does know something about radiation that you are indeed a certified Chicken Little. Just in case you don't know why I keep putting you in the context of Chicken Little look up why he thought the sky was falling. There are many types of radiation ranging from harmless to beneficial such as sunlight and infrared which is the heat you need to keep from freezing to multitudes of others such as ultraviolet, x-ray, and gamma which in excess can cause you harm. You're even radiating heat which is radiation so should we fear being in the same World with a radiating object like you? The various colors in a rainbow are also derived from radiation so are we to understand your next pronouncement will be the danger from rainbows? If you multiply the number I proposed for the number of gallons of fluid in the first six inches of water that compromises the surface of the Pacific Ocean by the depth of that Ocean I can assure you that number of gallons might just dilute the total mount of radiation available in those damaged reactors to lower than a whole number. At the decay rate of some radiation that figure would be so much lower than the background radiation we evolved in that it has no significance. You should worry far more about some dum dum with an AK putting a dozen rounds in you in a second which would possibly be far more lethal and somewhat more probable.

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Old 10-30-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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I'm more worried about what would happen should the containment vessels in reactors 3 and 4 breach, which could also cause the remaining reactors cores of 1,2,5,6 to go as well. That would be able to put enough radioactive material into the ocean to potentially cause some issues. But I leave that scenario up to you to tell me, Richelles. I just don't know as I am not a Nuclear Scientist.

All this can't be good for the area immediately around the site, regardless.

I do agree you have a better chance of meeting your end a different way than from the radiation released in Japan getting to you in Alaska. However, if you are that worried about it, either move from AK to somewhere else or don't eat anything that is in the food chain of the ocean. (i.e. Fish and shellfish from the Pacific Ocean or anything that eats it - as an example - Bears)
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:21 PM
 
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Yes Hawknest , Alaska is TOAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These Bashtards have 1400 nuke rods on the 4th floor of a dillapidated reactor building. Hello!!!!!

The insides of this building looks like a collapsed building . All tangled.
They try to remove each rod one at a time thru this mess if One rod touches another youhave FISSION -- which means the total Northern Hemisphere has a Chernonble X 1000.

Metla Kaka saying ---- no problem ??? LOL an establishment hack.

10 each ;;Tker /gas station filling big rigs have been gong in the ocean every day for the last 2 years.. Helloooo???

YOU DUMB AMERICANS
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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The only thing toasted around here is you.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:33 AM
 
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Rance: Why dont you man-up and quit being a shill for the corporation ? Best advice to you ; 'DISSAPEAR'. Cause right now you are on my major shytee list...... you weak coward, but I think your a naive deer in the headlights follower zombie, typical voter.
Lie to the people? Shame on you boy.


The heart-breaking news from Fukushima just keeps getting worse…a LOT worse…it is, quite simply, an out-of-control flow of death and destruction. TEPCO is finally admitting that radiation has been leaking to the Pacific Ocean all along. and it’s NOT over….

I find myself moving between the emotions of sorrow and anger.

It now appears that anywhere from 300 to possibly over 450 tons of contaminated water that contains radioactive iodone, cesium, and strontium-89 and 90, is flooding into the Pacific Ocean from the Fukushima Daichi site everyday. To give you an idea of how bad that actually is, Japanese experts estimate Fukushima’s fallout at 20-30 times as high as as the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombings in 1945

There’s a lot you’re not being told. Oh, the information is out there, but you have to dig pretty deep to find it, and you won’t find it on the corporate-owned evening news.
◦An MSNBC article in April of 2012 reported that seals and polar bears were found to have “external maladies” that consisted of fur loss and open sores, obvious signs of radiation burns from the Fukushima meltdown, despite the conclusions of the article.
◦Fukushima radiation appears to be causing an epidemic of dead and starving Sea Lions in California and the FDA has refused to test for radiation
◦Update: Huffington Post reports that the reactors used “dirty fuel,” a combination of plutonium and uranium (MOX), which means we can never return to this place again. This comes from a Russian nuclear physicist who is an expert on the kinds of gasses being released at Fukushima.
◦.Almost a third more US West Coast newborns may face thyroid problems after Fukushima nuclear disaster
◦Contaminated water from Fukushima reactors could double radioactivity levels of US coastal waters in 5 years — “We were surprised at how quickly the tracer spread”



above: German Scientists have calculated the dispersion of Cs-137 in the Pacific Ocean

WHAT’S GOING ON WITH THE PACIFIC OCEAN FOOD CHAIN? – May 2013 – Researchers from the Japan Agency for Marine Earth Science and Technology reported in early 2012 that they have detected radioactive cesium from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant in plankton collected from all 10 points in the Pacific they checked, with the highest levels at around 25 degrees north latitude and 150 degrees west longitude. Plankton, and the radiation they contain, moves right up the food chain through fish, whales, seals, etc., and when larger fish eat smaller fish. Kyodo: Highest levels of Fukushima contamination in plankton already east of Hawaii?

A WARNING TO SEAFOOD LOVERS EVERYWHERE – Scientists previously reported higher-than-expected concentrations of radiation in fish off Japan. Now there are calls for testing of seafood sold in the U.S. Although contaminated air, rainfall and even radioactive debris from Japan have drifted toward the U.S. West Coast since the disaster occurred 2 1/2 years ago, scientists are unclear about how the contaminated waters could impact the health of Americans, and while scientists say that 300 tons of contaminate water is diluted in the Pacific, no one knows how long that’s been going during those 2 1/2 years as we also now know TEPCO has been lying all along. Nuclear experts are calling on the U.S. government to test West Coast waters and Pacific seafood sold in the U.S. in the wake of Japan’s alarming admission about an ongoing radiation leak, something the EPA and the FDA have so far refused to do, as they are only testing imported fish, not wild-caught. WHY? The only way to protect your children and grandchildren is by NOT EATING SEAFOOD from the Pacific Ocean until we have better information. Source.Information posted at the website of heThe Department of Nuclear Engineering at the University of California recommends not buying any fish from the Pacific Ocean or western states, including Baja.

WHAT YOU HAVEN’T BEEN TOLD ABOUT FISH CONTAMINATION

•Tissue samples taken from 15 bluefin caught in August, five months after the meltdowns at Fukushima Daiichi, all 15 contained reactor byproducts cesium-134 and cesium-137.
•The 15 fish tested were only exposed to radiation for a short time. But bluefin arriving in California now will have been exposed to the Fukushima radiation for much longer.
•Unlike some other compounds, radioactive cesium does not quickly sink to the sea bottom but remains dispersed in the water column, from the surface to the ocean floor. Fish can swim right through it, ingesting it through their gills, by taking in seawater or by eating organisms that have already taken it in.
•The overwhelming scientific consensus is that there is no safe level of radiation … and radiation consumed and taken into the body is much more dangerous than background radiation.
•The Telegraph notes that scientists tagged a bluefin tuna and found that it crossed between Japan and the West Coast three times in 600 days: All Pacific migratory fish are likely Fukushima contaminated.
•Why have Contaminated Alaskan Halibut been found even though halibut don’t migrate? The cesium-134 contamination from radioactive plumes doesn’t just fall on land.
•Study shows Fukushima nuclear pollution becoming more concentrated as it approaches U.S. West Coast — Plume crosses ocean in a nearly straight line toward N. America — Appears to stay together with little dispersion (MODEL)
•Pacific herring in Canada bleeding from eyeballs, faces, fins, tails — I’ve never seen fish looking this bad — All 100 examined were bloody — Officials informed of hemorrhaging soon after 3/11 — Gov’t ignoring problem.
•Unprecedented: Sockeye salmon at dire historic low on Canada’s Pacific coast — “We think something happened in the ocean” — “The elders have never seen anything like this at all” — Alaska and Russia also affected.
•Japan Times: Fukushima Daiichi radioactive water problems seem ‘uncontainable’ — Believed to be wreaking environmental havoc upon Pacific Ocean.
•Reuters: Crisis deepening at Fukushima nuclear plant; Upgraded to ‘Level 3 Serious Incident’ — Represents a 100-fold increase in “severity of a radiological release” — Tepco says highly radioactive leakage continues, but unknown where from.

•It’s more than obvious that TEPCO officials have no idea what they’re doing, and the big question is why aren’t world governments jumping in to contain what’s going on? Meanwhile, the Pacific Ocean may very well be dying.

Australian Physician and anti-nuclear advocate Dr. Helen Caldicott Warns of Contaminated Fish and Oceanhttp://www.collapsingintoconsciousness.com/at-the-very-least-your-days-of-eating-pacific-ocean-fish-are-over/

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Old 10-31-2013, 12:43 AM
 
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Fukushima 2020: Will Japan be able to keep the nuclear situation under control? | The Japan Times


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Old 11-01-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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I think it is great, I can go catch a fish and it is already cooked... I always hated Sushi!

Why didn't they do this sooner!
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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What is it none of us are informed about? You started off talking about the amount of radiation being disgorged from Tokyo Electric Power's Nuclear Plants in Fukushima and listed every article that scared the Chicken Little inside you that you were able to find. From your reference sources it is apparent that every other Chicken Little is busy writing about the event with the intent of scaring some other Chicken Little (AKA Hawksnest). I pointed out before that your sources were exaggerating the cumulative effects of the situation and then you come along and pick the base facts and begin to make pronouncements that everyone reading your missive is going to be harmed in some manner because you're scared of the unknown. You have shown to this observer who has worked with nuclear power and does know something about radiation that you are indeed a certified Chicken Little. Just in case you don't know why I keep putting you in the context of Chicken Little look up why he thought the sky was falling. There are many types of radiation ranging from harmless to beneficial such as sunlight and infrared which is the heat you need to keep from freezing to multitudes of others such as ultraviolet, x-ray, and gamma which in excess can cause you harm. You're even radiating heat which is radiation so should we fear being in the same World with a radiating object like you? The various colors in a rainbow are also derived from radiation so are we to understand your next pronouncement will be the danger from rainbows? If you multiply the number I proposed for the number of gallons of fluid in the first six inches of water that compromises the surface of the Pacific Ocean by the depth of that Ocean I can assure you that number of gallons might just dilute the total mount of radiation available in those damaged reactors to lower than a whole number. At the decay rate of some radiation that figure would be so much lower than the background radiation we evolved in that it has no significance. You should worry far more about some dum dum with an AK putting a dozen rounds in you in a second which would possibly be far more lethal and somewhat more probable.
You can sure take the wind out of a good scare, and it's Holloween to boot!
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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a bunch of pseudoscientific BS
Here's another page on the same topic. Read and learn.

More Fukushima Scaremongering Debunked | Skeptoid
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Here's another page on the same topic. Read and learn.

More Fukushima Scaremongering Debunked | Skeptoid
I liked the part where all the furbearing animals where losing their fur here in Alaska...

Which explains the lack fur on top my head in spots.... "Those Bast**ds""!

I feel much better now.
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