Alaska freedom and pipeline (Metlakatla: environment, military, jobs)

[Manmountain]

Ron Paul on Freedom on the cnbc kramer financial show coming up.

I submitted a question on the Natural gas pipeline ? Will call in to. On at 200 pm and 500pm.

What ? Do we all have to work at fredys for $9.00 an hour takehome and be broke all the time?

Operating Engineeers and Laborers and Teamsters have job training and certifications and is open to anybody.

[User 2]

Originally Posted by Manmountain

Ron Paul on Freedom

Ron Paul today 'appears' to be running for a Republican primary presidential spot. He does this because he knows his real party, the one he's championed for many years will never provide the support he needs to further his goals on a national level.

He knows that if he can recreate himself as a member of one of the two major parties, he can obtain cover to run as if he's not still pushing his other party platform.

Ron Paul says he's against the war, this gets him the sympathy support from many people who want to hear any politician denounce the current war in Iraq. Hey, finally, ...a politician who is against the war. Ron Paul must be a great guy.

Ron Paul says he'll do away with taxes, and that gets him more sympathy by those who wish someone else would pay so they don't have to. Hey, what better than no taxes. Ron Paul has a great idea.

Ron Paul says he is for the common man, he likes the Constitutiton, he's all for whatever someone may think they're missing in their political life.

Based on this 'media generated' snapshot of Ron Paul, many people are saying they want to support Ron Paul, ....but do they know Ron Paul and what his history will tell them? Have they thought through what Ron Paul's policies would actually mean in real world terms?
Ron Paul is the darling of the white supremacists and the domestic terrorists groups. He's aligned with the Oklahoma bomber, Timothy McVeigh and the 'militia' movement.

The Party that Ron Paul championed for most of his political career is the Libertarian Party. He is a true Libertarian and supports their tenets.

Most of what he talks about as far as 'overhauling' the nations taxes and money policy? All a part of his Libertarian Party planks.

What is the Libertarian Party? What do they represent?

The name sounds catchy, liberty, who wouldn't want liberty?

The Libertarian Party platform calls for legalization of all drugs, not just sensible reform of draconian drug laws from the 30's but complete legalization of heroin, crack, meth, ....all drugs.

In fact, since their party platform calls for the elimination of all crimes that they call victimless crimes, that means many such offenses that they consider 'victimless, would no longer be illegal, you want to open the door to child pornography? Hey, as long as you didn't 'produce' the victim, unregulated internet traffic of child porn is A-ok.

Think 'no taxes' sounds good, what is it replaced with? What will fund what government is left? A 30% sales tax? A sales tax hits those who can least afford to pay the most. You think the current tax is unfair? A sales tax based system would not be a 'solution' you'd appreciate, you'd be wondering how to change back to what you had before.


He is a true Libertarian and supports their tenets. He's running as an 'unknown' Republican in order to take advantage of the cover that provides.

Who have been his staunchest allies and supporters over the years? The Oklahoma bomber, Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, Ted Kazinski, Gun Owners of America's, Larry Pratt, the Reverend Pete Peters, the leader of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement, then there's Stormfront, the White Citizen's Council, the Council of Conservative Citizens, David Duke, the Ku Klux Klan, the John Birch Society, .....white supremacists and extremist eliminationist quazi-military survivalist militias.

Ron Paul's own words?

our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin.

Ever get a paper thrown on your porch? Not the one you subscribed to but maybe the National Times, that white supremacist newspaper that only gets thrown onto unsuspecting people's porches in the middle of the night? Ever read the 'Citizen Informer'? Stormfront's 'Newslinks and Articles'?

How about the aptly named 'Political Cesspool'?

(if you google these publications, you might want to consider they aren't deemed the kind of places you connect with that are 'safe for work')

Now let's look at his voting record,

He votes against stem cell research and sponsored legislation to deem life begins at conception.

Voted for drilling ANWR, shielding the oil corporations from lawsuits, against raising CAFE standards, for more offshore drilling, for allowing the oil companies to stop paying royalties, he's against any form of Kyoto controls, calls environmental concerns anti-Americanism.

He want's to repeal the 14th Amendment, He wrote and sponsored HJ Resolution 46, he voted against reauthorizing the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and voted for the voter suppression act called the Federal Election Integrity Act. He was against the Civil Rights Act of 1964,

voted to eliminate OSHA workplace protections, against better mine safety standards, opposes campaign finance reform, voted to limit bankruptcy laws, voted against citizens being able to file class action lawsuits, votes against any universal healthcare, wants to privatize anything and everything, (where do we see that working?),


he received an 'F' rating from Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, (one of only 6 House members),


Now he's going to talk about 'Freedom'? He's going to claim he's a defender of the Constitution, when legislation he has sponsored has been ruled unConstitutional? He's going to fix your tax woes, while instituting a draconian regressive tax regime to reward the wealthiest even more than Bush's tax cuts?

Oh, but he's against the war..............

....so is Pat Buchanan, and a whole lot of other whack jobs.

Ron Paul is exactly who he is, he's a product of his own history, think about what you might be hearing and what it would really mean should American policy be built around that core.

[Metlakatla]

That pretty much sums up Ron Paul. Since I saw all the signs on POW supporting him, I did some reading on the subject...not impressed. The message he's sending is one that a large segment of our society want to hear, though.

I wonder how anyone with much sense can consider the scourge of meth a "victimless crime". They should try living next door to a meth house.

[User 2]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

That pretty much sums up Ron Paul.

Actually, there's more, and if anyone thinks they want to discuss Ron Paul as a viable candidate for the office of president of this United States, I'll be more than happy to provide more information.

Once you find what's behind the push to create the idea that Ron Paul is a 'popular alternative', there's not much to make him popular with the vast majority of people who say they're thinking Ron Paul might be a good choice.

Those people either don't have a clue as to what Ron Paul represents, .....or they're part of that segment of society that's always supported exactly what Ron Paul represents.

I know for myself, once I hear someone promoting Ron Paul, I wonder if they support him because they don't know, ....or if they support him because they do.

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

I wonder how anyone with much sense can consider the scourge of meth a "victimless crime". They should try living next door to a meth house.

That 'segment of society', (I personally don't consider them to be a part of any acceptable 'society'), they don't consider there's any crime unless there is violent force involved. It's simply not a crime unless there's an aggressive violent act involved.

If no one holds a gun to your head, or threatens you by violent means, thereby 'making' you buy addictive drugs, the sale of addictive drugs would be absolutely unregulated.

Their platform plank on drugs says they will repeal all laws on manufacture, sales, possession and use of all drugs. All drugs.

As far as that segment of the population who live off the sales of addictive drugs to children go, they can't wait for Ron Paul's beliefs to determine public policy.

For anyone to say that makes sense is just plain indefensible,

....but then again, ....a sensible discussion with long time Ron Paul supporters won't happen.

They just know they want be completely free to do whatever they want, and they want a world where they won't be accountable for whatever comes from that.

Sort of like the perfect world for a two year old, ....ever try to talk sense to a two year old?

Sense isn't part of that attraction.

[Dusty Rhodes]

"The Libertarian Party platform calls for legalization of all drugs, not just sensible reform of draconian drug laws from the 30's but complete legalization of heroin, crack, meth, ....all drugs." USER2

Actually this is a common mis-conception of the libertarian platform, it is not that they want to legalize anything, they simply want the country to abide by the guidelines as interpreted strickly in the U.S. Constitution. Since the constitution does not say that the government has the right to censor what a citizen may purchase in the open marketplace, they (the libertarians) want the government to keep their fingers out of it. It is not a validation of Heroin, or Cocaine, or any other drug, it is about what the government has a legal authority to ban from the citizenry. The libertarians I have know are literalists, and in the preamble where it states that "all men are created equal" they believe this goes for all mankind, white, black, native, oriental, male or female. I have no doubt that Ron Paul is a political neanderthal, sexist, and racist, but I see no need to paint the Libertarians with the same brush

[Metlakatla]

It would amount to the same thing, Dusty.

[Dusty Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

It would amount to the same thing, Dusty.

Perhaps with some of the drug issues, the libertarians believe that it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children the difference between right and wrong, good and bad behaviors it is not the function of government to do this for the citizenry. A vast difference exists with the realm of human rights. They also believe that all citizens should be treated the same under law, not separate rules for males, females, theists, atheists, agnostics, whites, blacks, natives, heterosexuals, homosexuals. As long as it is between consenting adults, it is no one elses business. No government has the right to impose someone elses believes on me. ie. who may marry whom, which marriage is legal, insist that a woman accidentally impregnated MUST have the child. In these issues it is not the same thing. Everything I have read tells me that Ron Paul is the political equivalent of a pig. I have trouble believing (perhaps because I do not want to believe) that he will actually be elected to any real political office (but,....then again,... we still have dubya, two terms.) Whooda thunk?

[DannyL]

whenever a politician stands up and starts telling me everything I want to hear, my BS alarm goes off big-time.

[User 2]

Originally Posted by National Libertarian Party Platform

Repeal all laws establishing criminal or civil penalties for the use of drugs.

Stop prosecuting accused non-violent drug offenders, and pardon those previously convicted.


Laws that codify "victimless crimes" turn those who simply conduct voluntary transactions and exercise free choice into criminals.

There is no 'perhaps' about it, it's written out in black and white right in their platform.

Question someone who claims to be a member and they'll tell you all kinds of things, but they can't refute what the party platform says.

Originally Posted by Alaska Libertarian Party

We favor repeal of all laws creating `"crimes" without victims.

we advocate the repeal of all laws;
Prohibiting tha production, sales, possession or use of drugs

There's no maybe about it, they might try to make some excuse about it, but it's written in black and white.

[Metlakatla]

Originally Posted by Alaska Libertarian Party
We favor repeal of all laws creating `"crimes" without victims.

we advocate the repeal of all laws;
Prohibiting tha production, sales, possession or use of drugs
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Live next to a few meth houses, especially when you've got young children, and then talk to me about "crimes without victims". When you can't even enjoy your own home let alone feel marginally safe in it because of someone else's "right" to buy meth on the open market...nah, I don't think the libertarian party is worth my time.