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Old 10-19-2014, 08:02 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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It's not as simple as that. Because of religion, the definition of marriage is the union between a man and a woman, and that's why the people have voted for the definition of marriage. By striking down the definition of marriage by the courts, it may become illegal for churches to deny "marrying" same-sex couples. While this may take time to happen, it will.

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Christian persecution in the US: Openly gay Houston mayor demands pastors turn over sermons - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com
Why bring up something that will not happen. Churches already have protections that allow them to deny marriage to any one they please and it will not change because gays get married. And religion does not control marriage, that is recent in history. But none of that matters for the people do not have the right to vote on any minorities rights, PERIOD. So why do you think it is okay to vote on the rights of gays, yet not on those of blacks, or Asians or any other minority group. How does banning same sex marriage improve the quality or safety of straight marriages, or protect the children or increase their chances of being raised with their biological parents? Do you have an answer for those questions, or will you just evade them as everyone else has?
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Why bring up something that will not happen. Churches already have protections that allow them to deny marriage to any one they please and it will not change because gays get married. And religion does not control marriage, that is recent in history. But none of that matters for the people do not have the right to vote on any minorities rights, PERIOD. So why do you think it is okay to vote on the rights of gays, yet not on those of blacks, or Asians or any other minority group. How does banning same sex marriage improve the quality or safety of straight marriages, or protect the children or increase their chances of being raised with their biological parents? Do you have an answer for those questions, or will you just evade them as everyone else has?
What you are referring to has nothing to do with what I said. I was referring to the definition of marriage Alaskans voted for, not about the way I nor anybody else feels things should be or not. Besides, I was responding to another poster about a specific comment, not you. I have no intentions on changing other peoples' mind minds on the subject at hand (in Alaska), nor will anybody else will change my mind on the same. Therefore it makes no sense to argue about it. As far as my concern, if the law allows for marrying one's toaster, that's not my business.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Likewise the homosexuals have zero business trying to force their beliefs on others, but that has been happening. For example:
Vt. government ends religious persecution of family business, admits Wildflower Inn acted in good faith - Alliance Defending Freedom
Did you read the article that you posted? It was an employee of the Inn who caused the trouble. Go back and read it.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Religion has never made laws; people do. In the case of the "definition of marriage," Alaskans, not the religions, decided that such is what they wanted, so they voted for it.
So are you saying then that SSM is not legal in Alaska?
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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SSM is legal in Alaska, it is now the law of the land, there is no turning it back. I you don't like it don't marry someone of the same sex. If one can't understand that there is no hope for them.
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:44 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Did you read the article that you posted? It was an employee of the Inn who caused the trouble. Go back and read it.
That's not the point. The point is the homosexual activists want to force themselves onto people. They don't care about freedom in the least. What that article did not mention is that "couple" shopped around the state essentially until they found a business to sue.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:08 AM
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Location: On the Border
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That's not the point. The point is the homosexual activists want to force themselves onto people. They don't care about freedom in the least....
Yeah, and all second amendment activists are completely sane people you'd want sitting down with your wife and kids for dinner. Every single one.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Appalachian Mountains
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Originally Posted by RayinAK View Post
It's not as simple as that. Because of religion, the definition of marriage is the union between a man and a woman, and that's why the people have voted for the definition of marriage. By striking down the definition of marriage by the courts, it may become illegal for churches to deny "marrying" same-sex couples. While this may take time to happen, it will.

Another example:

Christian persecution in the US: Openly gay Houston mayor demands pastors turn over sermons - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com
Apparently they've changed course, but isn't speech also protected?

Houston to pastors: Forget your sermons, now we want your speechesFox News‎ - 3 days ago

Houston to pastors: Forget your sermons, now we want your speeches ... Alliance Defending Freedom said they will move forward with a request to quash the subpoenas.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by RayinAK View Post
It's not as simple as that. Because of religion, the definition of marriage is the union between a man and a woman, and that's why the people have voted for the definition of marriage. By striking down the definition of marriage by the courts, it may become illegal for churches to deny "marrying" same-sex couples. While this may take time to happen, it will.

Another example:

Christian persecution in the US: Openly gay Houston mayor demands pastors turn over sermons - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com
Uh, no. Churches aren't going to be forced to marry gay people if they don't want to. First of all, why would a gay couple want their marriage performed by a person who doesn't even like them?? Second, churches have ALWAYS had the right to turn away people for marriage ceremonies. That's part of their religious freedom. If a Baptist couple goes to a Catholic priest (which wouldn't happen anyway), the priest will turn them away and not marry them. If any gay couple is stupid enough to sue a church and try to force them to perform a ceremony, they'll lose in court, guaranteed, as they should. There are plenty of churches out there that will marry gay people.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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SSM is legal in Alaska, it is now the law of the land, there is no turning it back. I you don't like it don't marry someone of the same sex. If one can't understand that there is no hope for them.
And considering the low population of Alaska, and how few gay marriages there will be up there, it's funny to see people getting their panties all in a wad over something that has zero affect on them.

I suppose some people will carry the bitterness on for decades. There are people in the South still angry over the loss of the Civil War and "states rights".
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