Alaska Chat II

[karfar]

Originally Posted by Jeff Emler

Dude, you couldn't be more wrong about me.

I have a real problem with people who complain about how bad it is to live in America, yet continue to live here and reap the benefit.

The US isn't perfect by a long shot. But it's a darn sight better than most of the rest of the the world.

Good, decent people sacrificed everything defending our rights and freedoms. It really gets my goat when others who never donned a military uniform pee and moan about how little freedom they have. If they want to experience real oppression they should move to the middle east someplace.

I served in the Military and I consider it to have been a privilige, not a sacrifice.

America has become a land of pissers and moaners and spoiled rotten little children.

Somehow I had the impression that Alaskans were of the conservative, nationalistic, pioneer, self sufficient types, and not a bunch of whiny liberals who like nothing more than to bellyache about how bad off they have it.

I hope I'm not wrong.

Sorry Rance, I just gotta put in my input as well & then you can move back on target. To Emler, give me a break! You think the military is the end all be all to a free country? You think fighting/winning wars in other countries has anything to do w/how our government runs our own country & what legislation is passed or not passed? Tell me something, how does restricting the basic right of a person to get married to someone they love have to do w/the military? How about restricting peoples right to their own voice & opinion by suspending them or expelling them from school if they wear a t-shirt that, GASP, says something negative about our president? Or grouping people into terrorists just because they don't agree w/how our government has handled certain situations? Condemning people because they choose to think for themselves & question authority rather than blindly following what the government tells them is truth? You think another country has less freedom than us just because they have stricter gun control laws? How redneck, wild west can you get?? Our country can be good, but it could be even better & the only way to get better is to get someone into office who isn't a war monger, someone who realizes that our own society has issues that need to be dealt with, perhaps w/some compassion & real thought. I'm done.

[cobolt]

Originally Posted by Barkingowl

Better the mind than other things...

Well, I think other things follow.....eventually

[Jeff Emler]

Originally Posted by karfar

Sorry Rance, I just gotta put in my input as well & then you can move back on target. To Emler, give me a break! You think the military is the end all be all to a free country? You think fighting/winning wars in other countries has anything to do w/how our government runs our own country & what legislation is passed or not passed? Tell me something, how does restricting the basic right of a person to get married to someone they love have to do w/the military? How about restricting peoples right to their own voice & opinion by suspending them or expelling them from school if they wear a t-shirt that, GASP, says something negative about our president? Or grouping people into terrorists just because they don't agree w/how our government has handled certain situations? Condemning people because they choose to think for themselves & question authority rather than blindly following what the government tells them is truth? You think another country has less freedom than us just because they have stricter gun control laws? How redneck, wild west can you get?? Our country can be good, but it could be even better & the only way to get better is to get someone into office who isn't a war monger, someone who realizes that our own society has issues that need to be dealt with, perhaps w/some compassion & real thought. I'm done.

Wow...all that just for little ol' me?

Dude/dudette.....where you got all that and how it applies to my post is a stretch beyond imagination.

Just so you'll know, most middle eastern countries have little or no gun control laws. Yet, as as societies they are truly fascist, totalitarian and oppressive. Ironically, it's the US presence in Iraq that has been the first regulatory body with regard to firearms in the modern history of the country.

You have missed my point entirely, being too focused on arguing than to even make a token effort to understand.

I've invested far too many keystrokes as it is.

It's good that I'm not as narrowminded as several of you have implied. Otherwise I might be tempted to think the cerebral fortitude of all Alaskans is represented by what I have seen here.

[Xa'at]

Yikes, this one picked up a bit!

Originally Posted by Jeff Emler

Dude, you couldn't be more wrong about me.

I have a real problem with people who complain about how bad it is to live in America, yet continue to live here and reap the benefit.

The US isn't perfect by a long shot. But it's a darn sight better than most of the rest of the the world.

Good, decent people sacrificed everything defending our rights and freedoms. It really gets my goat when others who never donned a military uniform pee and moan about how little freedom they have. If they want to experience real oppression they should move to the middle east someplace.

I served in the Military and I consider it to have been a privilige, not a sacrifice.

America has become a land of pissers and moaners and spoiled rotten little children.

Somehow I had the impression that Alaskans were of the conservative, nationalistic, pioneer, self sufficient types, and not a bunch of whiny liberals who like nothing more than to bellyache about how bad off they have it.

I hope I'm not wrong.

Instead of typing out everything I need to say, I'll just say that I second karfar.
You have the wrong idea about liberals, mister. We're not whiny, we simply realize that the US has some serious flaws that need to be fixed. It's called being progressive.

Originally Posted by Jeff Emler

BTW folks...and rance in particular.

This X'at person has been dogging me since I came here and has been spoiling for a conflict.

Oh please! Let's review:
You mentioned on a thread about Bethel that you're very religious. So I asked you an honest question that I hoped would spark an intelligent conversation. Instead, you preached to me.
Later, you dug up an old thread so you could verbally abuse me, call me a pathetic ingrate.
Which one of us is spoiling for a conflict here?

Originally Posted by Crossfire600

I know this isn't a good way to start off with my first post but, did you ask the "other people" if you could advocate for them or do you just assume that your belief system should apply to them as well which gives you the power to advocate for others?

Hmm, you misunderstand. I'm a civil rights activist for gay rights. I happen to know that the people I am championing for want the rights because I am one of them. 'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by Jeff Emler

Wow...all that just for little ol' me?

Dude/dudette.....where you got all that and how it applies to my post is a stretch beyond imagination.

Just so you'll know, most middle eastern countries have little or no gun control laws. Yet, as as societies they are truly fascist, totalitarian and oppressive. Ironically, it's the US presence in Iraq that has been the first regulatory body with regard to firearms in the modern history of the country.

You have missed my point entirely, being too focused on arguing than to even make a token effort to understand.

I've invested far too many keystrokes as it is.

It's good that I'm not as narrowminded as several of you have implied. Otherwise I might be tempted to think the cerebral fortitude of all Alaskans is represented by what I have seen here.

No, no, no. Your response to every post that challenges your position is that we're not getting the point.
The fact remains that unless you are a straight white Christian male, which I believe you are, Jeff, then you are a second class citizen in this country. You can obfuscate that any way you want, and you can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it is true.
Now, we have two options. We can keep the status quo and watch while the other countries leave us in the dirt. Or, we can start making a change.
It's these hyper-patriotic people who refuse to budge one iota in this belief that America is perfect as is that are keeping us from actually becoming perfect.

As for Alaskans and their "cerebral fortitude"- what you're seeing here is fairly representative of what you're going to get. Sure there are some hyper-patriotic, jingoist people who think america can do no wrong, but what was it Warpt said about them?

Originally Posted by Warptman

Nobody likes them.

Ah, I remember now.

Love it or leave it.

[karfar]

Xa'at, you crack me up, bravo!! It's all true, let's see what else he has to put us down with.

[warptman]

We should be able to rep people whenever we want. Good one Xa'at.

[Xa'at]

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a violation of Godwin's Law.
For a thread of some 170 pages, it's getting to be a certainty.

[Rance]

I just spent the last 5 hours scanning/cleaning/deleting the infamous W32.SillyDC worm from my work computer. I believe I shall kick my alternates ever livin butt when he comes back. Over 1000 infected files cleaned and or deleted. Seems to have come from one of his two thumbdrives.

!*%&#@!

[karfar]

Originally Posted by Xa'at

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a violation of Godwin's Law.
For a thread of some 170 pages, it's getting to be a certainty.

Well I have some theories re: Hitler & our government, however I'll refrain from going there

[Rance]

Some really good stories here:

Indian Stories, Myths and Legends