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Old 03-26-2008, 05:29 PM
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You guys have me scared now.. I had found some great hiking options in Skagway but some friends kept telling us about the heli-tours over the glaciers and my husband wanted to do that.. I was not a fan of the helicopter option because they scare the life out of me but, he convinced me to give it a try. We found a "compromise" on a heli-hike with Packer Excursions that really looks good but, I don't see them on this Medallion site though. Is anyone familiar with this company? Thanks!!

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Old 03-26-2008, 06:22 PM
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You guys have me scared now.. I had found some great hiking options in Skagway but some friends kept telling us about the heli-tours over the glaciers and my husband wanted to do that.. I was not a fan of the helicopter option because they scare the life out of me but, he convinced me to give it a try. We found a "compromise" on a heli-hike with Packer Excursions that really looks good but, I don't see them on this Medallion site though. Is anyone familiar with this company? Thanks!!
I have heard of the company, but I dont know if they are good or bad. But you will be flying on Temsco which is a good company.

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Old 03-26-2008, 06:36 PM
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Thank you ASpilot2be!! I am so glad to hear we are flying with a good company.. I apprecaite your feedback!

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Old 03-26-2008, 08:14 PM
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You mean Small Paul

He wrecked his last plane last fall I think, and now has a new one
YES!! Small Paul...he's the one.. Wow...how did he wipe out? He used to fly south in the winters...Idaho I think? Or doing tours of the Grand Canyon. I can't remember.

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Old 03-26-2008, 08:43 PM
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YES!! Small Paul...he's the one.. Wow...how did he wipe out? He used to fly south in the winters...Idaho I think? Or doing tours of the Grand Canyon. I can't remember.
I am not sure how he wrecked. I think it was upon landing on a glacier, not sure. But nobody was really hurt, but I think the plane needed some major repairs. A good enough to buy a new plane

He still does fly south in the winters. According to his website he goes to Utah.

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Old 03-27-2008, 10:34 AM
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I know Paul's site advertises the glacier landings, but my understanding in a conversation with him was that he rarely did them.

Anyway, speaking of Temsco, I call them the "wolf pack" b/c everytime I'd be out and about in JNU in the summer, you could hear and see them flying around in a group of 5 or 6.

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Old 03-27-2008, 03:33 PM
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I know Paul's site advertises the glacier landings, but my understanding in a conversation with him was that he rarely did them.

Anyway, speaking of Temsco, I call them the "wolf pack" b/c everytime I'd be out and about in JNU in the summer, you could hear and see them flying around in a group of 5 or 6.
I wasnt in town when the incident happened, so I dont know all the details.

I know what you mean about the helicopters in packs

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Old 03-30-2008, 06:27 AM
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Good lord, I hope so. There's nothing that irks me more than a touron with the gall to tell me that after his six hours in the Red Dog Saloon he knows more about my community than I do after a lifetime there.

Metla and I are going to be sinking a couple this season, I can tell.
I fail to see where I tried to tell you that I know anything about your state. I'm not ignorant. I know I've barely scratched the surface of what your state would have to offer. As is true with most anyplace one visits on a short vacation.

What I said was ... the tenor of posters' attitude, in this thread, towards visitors stinks to high heaven. And I don't visit places with locals like that. The pomposity of it turns me off.

Interstingly enough, I've never stepped foot in the Red Dog Saloon in the several times I've been to Juneau. I have, though, been in the public library. And the used bookstore. Which I enjoyed immensely. Damn tourist traps.

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Old 03-30-2008, 10:57 AM
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What I said was ... the tenor of posters' attitude, in this thread, towards visitors stinks to high heaven. And I don't visit places with locals like that. The pomposity of it turns me off.
I trust I won't be seeing you around POW then, though you'd probably like it better and see more of the "real Alaska" than in the port cities. we're actually sometimes nice to tourists here...not because they're bringing money or buying trinkets though (there aren't any trinkets to buy). They mostly come here to sports fish and that's something we can all relate to here, and many of them have been coming back year after year...so we develop a better relationship with them than in the port cities.

What do you think the reason behind the attitude that you mention might be? I do think it's a pretty prevailing one in communities that have been plagued with ships to the extent that Ketchikan, Skagway, and Juneau have been.

Last summer in Skagway, I never encountered so much rudeness in my entire life, and almost all of the perps were white sneakered American tourists. Just going around town as an average citizen is enough to totally turn you off of the ships and their passengers.

One of them approached me last summer as I was sitting on a bench in a rather out of the way area while trying to get away from the swarms and demanded to know if I grew my own vegetables and whether a coat she'd seen in a *cough* "local" store was made out of polar bear skins. She told me I was a Native; I told her I wasn't and she again told me that I was. Quite strange. And I've seen them trample through people's yards with no understanding that they were on private property (even when it was posted), literally yell at store clerks and restaurant personnel. And don't even get me started on the tourists who were lifting the spawning salmon out of one of the local creeks. One couple was allowing their offspring to poke at the fish with sticks...when I pointed out to them that such activity could earn them a $1000 fine, their response to me was less than cordial---how dare someone tell them that their little darlings couldn't break the law?

I was actually shocked by much of the behavior I saw because it barely even existed among the tourists that I dealt with in the interior.

I think, Enrico, that your statement about those who bring their money up was the motivator for some of the responses you got here. Personally, I don't need your money. And if you'll ask around on your next trip, provided there is one, you'll notice that most of the people you come into contact with in port don't live here. And if you'll investigate further and take a look at the delinquent taxes, you'll notice a preponderance of offshore jewelry companies on that list--so much for the sales tax revenue they bring in. What they do actually bring is goes to maintain the cruise docks, by the way.

We do see quite an attitude here among the tourists that indicates their strong belief that our communities wouldn't exist without them. Again, I urge you to take a look at the economics of Petersburg and then compare that to Skagway, and then tell me which community is financially healthy.

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Old 03-30-2008, 01:52 PM
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I fail to see where I tried to tell you that I know anything about your state.
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But the bad attitude shown here towards the industry, but more importantly the people with the money that supports the industry, that keeps your towns alive eases any regret I had in knowing I've likely made my last trip to Alaska.
I suppose I can understand how anyone seeing it from the cruise perspective could think that they are keeping our communities "alive". But no community can survive on a false economy. Skagway is a pretty good example of that, may it rest in peace. Ketchikan and Juneau, though, are communities in their own right, probably a lot like wherever it is that you live.

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