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Old 10-05-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Why?
She will vote for the next person. Its still going to be a republican next on the Supreme Ct. even if it isn't Kavagnaugh. Whats the big deal?
Exactly. I'm not sure why people are so pro-Kavanaugh versus all the other qualified candidates with similar views, other than that it'd be a "win" for their "team," which isn't really what governance is supposed to be about. She's not holding out for a liberal candidate, she's just not comfortable with Kavanaugh as things currently stand.

Murkowski has already committed what national pundits called "political suicide" a few times and she's still in office.

Take a look at the attached screen grab. Obviously this isn't a formal measure limited to US voters, but I don't think her decision was as unpopular with the general public as some very loud voices would make it out to be. Note that of the 3.1K responses, over 2.4K are positive.
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Old 10-05-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Exactly. I'm not sure why people are so pro-Kavanaugh versus all the other qualified candidates with similar views, other than that it'd be a "win" for their "team," which isn't really what governance is supposed to be about. She's not holding out for a liberal candidate, she's just not comfortable with Kavanaugh as things currently stand.

Murkowski has already committed what national pundits called "political suicide" a few times and she's still in office.

Take a look at the attached screen grab. Obviously this isn't a formal measure limited to US voters, but I don't think her decision was as unpopular with the general public as some very loud voices would make it out to be. Note that of the 3.1K responses, over 2.4K are positive.

She supports abortion. She’s afraid Kavanaugh would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
She probably gets some Democratic votes during an election year.

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Old 10-05-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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She supports abortion. She’s afraid Kavanaugh would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
She's a lawyer and she's been a US senator for 20 years so I'm pretty sure she knows that's not how the system works.
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Old 10-05-2018, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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She's a lawyer and she's been a US senator for 20 years so I'm pretty sure she knows that's not how the system works.
She is a lawyer, but she turns depending on which direction the wind blows. Like a lot of politicians, she knows that the power of the office she holds is dependent of the political powers that put her in office. It does not matter if the present Supreme Court candidate is guilty or not, at least not to her and the AK lawyers who asked her to vote "no." As a lawyer herself, she shows no concerns about the presumption of innocence versus guilt.

It's very possible that she won't vote "no" Saturday, because there is only so much Alaska conservatives, not necessarily Republicans, can put up with her shenanigans in Congress. She won against Miller because of the Alaska Native vote and a bunch of wishy-washy republicans and Democrats. I am willing to be that a conservative independent could win against her if only the Republican machine would back such candidate. But in the case of Miller versus Lisa, the former never received support from the Republican party.

Once an Alaska politician is fully backed by the Republican machine, it's very difficult for anybody without that support to make it to office.

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Old 10-05-2018, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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She's a lawyer and she's been a US senator for 20 years so I'm pretty sure she knows that's not how the system works.
How does it work, then?
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Old 10-05-2018, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Once an Alaska politician is fully backed by the Republican machine, it's very difficult for anybody without that support to make it to office.[/]

Was Palin supported by the Republican machine?
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Old 10-05-2018, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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Once an Alaska politician is fully backed by the Republican machine, it's very difficult for anybody without that support to make it to office.[/]

Was Palin supported by the Republican machine?
Palin quit!!!!(she wanted something bigger than a governor) So it doesn't matter if she had their support or not.
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Old 10-05-2018, 08:42 PM
 
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Was Palin supported by the Republican machine?
Nope. She took on the "Republican machine" and defeated it. She might have turned out to be an ok governor if that VP nonsense hadn't gone to her head.
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Old 10-05-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Nope. She took on the "Republican machine" and defeated it. She might have turned out to be an ok governor if that VP nonsense hadn't gone to her head.
No. Miller was not backed by the Republican party. The majority of the people who voted for him were independents. Besides that, $1.7million were funneled to Lisa (supposedly), by Alaskans Standing Together. Miller could never raise that much cash.
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Old 10-05-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Palin quit!!!!(she wanted something bigger than a governor) So it doesn't matter if she had their support or not.
I am not talking about Palin, but about the Republican party. Palin had a lot of enemies among the Republican establishment in Alaska. But she did raise around $500,000 for Miller. Toward the end, Lisa's TV and radio commercials outnumbered Miller's about 10 to 1.
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