Heads-up to anyone in Juneau, and to anyone moving here soon... (Anchorage: home, rent)

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

All you've done is convince me that the last thing half of this state would want to do is move the capital! You've described how it will benefit half the state to the detriment of the other half. That does not make for better government, it makes for even more regionalization than we already have, and that is a BAD thing.

Regardless, the travel money is a drop in the bucket, and insignificant compared to the increase in pork that would go to the wrong places.

And actually, it is more than half the state that would be at an increased disadvantage, because if you think the Fairbanks area would benefit... I've got a bridge that you want to buy into too.

Where did I say that it was only the Fairbanks area to benefit from the move? Regardless of how you and I feel about it, the largest population concentrations are in fact in the interior of Alaska, and around Anchorage. Pork? What do you think has taken place for years in Alaska? It's not only Federal pork, but State as well, all over Alaska (including Juneau). Pork won't change by moving the capital, but the legislature would be closer to most of Alaska inhabitants.

Keep in mind, however, that it makes no difference to me if the capital is moved or not. I have just stated an opinion, just like others in this forum. Like lots of other Alaskans, I feel that the capital should be accessible to the people, at least by road.

[Bohemian Enigma]

Originally Posted by Glitch
Juneau is filled with whining liberals who, at the first sign of trouble, go crying to the government to get taxpayers to bail them out. That "give-me" attitude is more suited for the lesser-48 than Alaska.

Yet another reason to move the capital out of Juneau.

A member of the small remnant of rational people in Juneau.
God bless!

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by DannyL

having a bad week there Glitch?

let's see....
- I live in juneau
- I'm not a liberal
- and the LAST THING I want is the govt's help in anything.

what does that make me??????

That makes you the one exception. Perhaps you didn't read Xa'at post in another thread explaining how state government in Juneau came to a stop so they could focus on begging the feds for emergency assistance. That obviously wouldn't have happened had the capital been any other place besides Juneau.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

I pay from $600.00 to $800.00 a month for utilities (heating fuel + electricity) near Fairbanks. Going to install a wood stove this summer, along a few other things around the house to bring the cost down a little.

You are already paying a great deal more than anyone in Juneau, and yet nobody in Juneau is calling your situation a "crisis." I have a great deal more sympathy for your situation than I do for the cry-babies in Juneau.

[Xa'at]

Originally Posted by Glitch

That makes you the one exception. Perhaps you didn't read Xa'at post in another thread explaining how state government in Juneau came to a stop so they could focus on begging the feds for emergency assistance. That obviously wouldn't have happened had the capital been any other place besides Juneau.

You know, it's really saddening to me that this thread has turned into yet another thread for Glitch and others to ***** about how much his life is ruined by the capital being in Juneau. Seriously, folks, we were trying to have a productive conversation about how we as a community are going to handle this, GOD FORBID we should talk about it, and suddenly everyone descends on us like vultures.
We're not cry-babies, we're not whiners, we're just people dealing with a situation and it's getting really tiring. Honestly, folks, grow up and bother someone else.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by Xa'at

You know, it's really saddening to me that this thread has turned into yet another thread for Glitch and others to ***** about how much his life is ruined by the capital being in Juneau. Seriously, folks, we were trying to have a productive conversation about how we as a community are going to handle this, GOD FORBID we should talk about it, and suddenly everyone descends on us like vultures.
We're not cry-babies, we're not whiners, we're just people dealing with a situation and it's getting really tiring. Honestly, folks, grow up and bother someone else.

Here is a novel concept for you: Try dealing with the problem as a community instead of taking money out of the pockets of other communities by declaring it a "crisis" which it obviously is not. When other Alaskans have paying far more than your increased rates for years, you have a lot of audacity to claim that you need the assistance of other taxpayers.

[Xa'at]

Originally Posted by Glitch

Here is a novel concept for you: Try dealing with the problem as a community instead of taking money out of the pockets of other communities by declaring it a "crisis" which it obviously is not. When other Alaskans have paying far more than your increased rates for years, you have a lot of audacity to claim that you need the assistance of other taxpayers.

Here's a novel concept for you: no one cares about your novel concepts. You know nothing about what it is like to live in the real Alaska, but you have the audacity to claim, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that your opinions represent the majority.
Now, if you will excuse me, I am supposed to be writing a paper so I can get an education and become a contributing member of society (there's a novel concept for you). I've grown bored of you and your puffed-up, self important circular rhetoric. Kindly shove off.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Where did I say that it was only the Fairbanks area to benefit from the move?

Since I didn't claim you did, who are you talking about?

What I said was that you do think Fairbanks would benefit (and I said nothing about that being exclusive), and I'm saying that Fairbanks will not benefit. They'll lose too, just like the bush will lose.

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Regardless of how you and I feel about it, the largest population concentrations are in fact in the interior of Alaska, and around Anchorage. Pork? What do you think has taken place for years in Alaska? It's not only Federal pork, but State as well, all over Alaska (including Juneau). Pork won't change by moving the capital, but the legislature would be closer to most of Alaska inhabitants.

Not true. The distribution of the pork has never been fair, and it will become more unfair. Why? Simply because today Anchorage, Bethel, Point Hope, and Barrow all have equal access to State Government. Move the capital close to Anchorage, and that is not going to be even close to true.

Moving the capital simply would not make for better State government; it would only make for more lop sided State government.

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Keep in mind, however, that it makes no difference to me if the capital is moved or not. I have just stated an opinion, just like others in this forum. Like lots of other Alaskans, I feel that the capital should be accessible to the people, at least by road.

But you cannot make it equally accessible to all Alaskans as long as you insist on the road. A road is a Lower-48 centric concept in the first place, and is simply not valid in Alaska.

Back in the 1960's and early 70' the government was not accessible to much of anyone, and that is why the vote to move it passed. That is no longer true today. Juneau has much improved access via air, and for 99.9 percent of all daily business the telecommunications networks that we have today are far better than access via a road.

What we need is better State government, and moving the capital is a step away from that.

Lets also keep in mind that no vote a capital move since the 1960's has passed. What we are seeing now are attempts to skirt the well known fact that any vote on moving it would fail.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Years and years of flying back and forth adds up.

It adds up to peanuts on the grand scale, compared to the cost of the damage it would do to move the capital.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by Glitch

Here is a novel concept for you: Try dealing with the problem as a community instead of taking money out of the pockets of other communities by declaring it a "crisis" which it obviously is not. When other Alaskans have paying far more than your increased rates for years, you have a lot of audacity to claim that you need the assistance of other taxpayers.

Why is what your community does routinely (i.e., take money out of the pockets of other communities) an evil thing for another community to request when they have a crisis???

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

People in the Mat-Su Borough are unwilling to contribute (23% of what residents of Juneau contribute, per capita). And the State of Alaska gives the Mat-Su, per capita, 140% the amount given to Juneau for their operating budgets.

Greed (defined your way) doesn't seem to be such a novel concept after all, and it appears to be alive and well in the Mat-Su Valley, eh?