Anyone visit that bus from the movie "Into The Wild" (Anchorage: campers, money)

[blueflames50]

Originally Posted by Marty Van Diest

Here are a couple more just in today's news. Only they had an emergency locator beacon. They activated it and got the troopers and coast guard involved because they were sunburned...read all about it.

Daylong sun too much for Outside campers: Interior | adn.com

what a pair of dumb arzz's!!!

[Glitch]

Starving to death in an abandoned school bus can hardly be construed as being in "The Wild." "Wilderness" means land that it is completely untouched by human development of any kind, in its natural state. Last time I checked, there were not many school bus bearing bushes or trees found in nature.

[gman6974]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

The difference is the military gives you, in most cases, the tools needed for you to survive. He didn't bring some of the most basic things I have been told that he would need to survive the winter.

True, but nothing can fully prepare you for war. You just man up, get the right mental state and do it. I'm not talking about just McCandless either. A lot of people die doing what they love and what they believe in. You might look at it and say you would never do anything like that and that it screams stupidity. But if it doesn't affect your well-being I don't see why it matters. The guy paid for his actions. Let him be.

[Rance]

We are letting him be. It's the gosh darn out of staters that keep idolizing him and that burned out bus.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by gman6974

True, but nothing can fully prepare you for war. You just man up, get the right mental state and do it. I'm not talking about just McCandless either. A lot of people die doing what they love and what they believe in. You might look at it and say you would never do anything like that and that it screams stupidity. But if it doesn't affect your well-being I don't see why it matters. The guy paid for his actions. Let him be.

There is a difference between dieing as a result of an unforeseeable accident and dieing as a result of abject stupidity. What McCandless did would be equivalent to sky-divers jumping out of a plane at 13,000 feet without a parachute. He had no food to speak of, inadequate shelter, inappropriate clothing, and he did not have the first clue about the environment he blindly walked into.

I can only hope that he did not reproduce before he died. The human species does not need that kind of stupidity to be propagated elsewhere.

[blueflames50]

Originally Posted by Glitch

There is a difference between dieing as a result of an unforeseeable accident and dieing as a result of abject stupidity. What McCandless did would be equivalent to sky-divers jumping out of a plane at 13,000 feet without a parachute. He had no food to speak of, inadequate shelter, inappropriate clothing, and he did not have the first clue about the environment he blindly walked into.

I can only hope that he did not reproduce before he died. The human species does not need that kind of stupidity to be propagated elsewhere.

tried to rep ya Glitch but the forum police say I gotta spread it around...sorry! but worth lots of reps's!!

[gman6974]

Originally Posted by Glitch

There is a difference between dieing as a result of an unforeseeable accident and dieing as a result of abject stupidity. What McCandless did would be equivalent to sky-divers jumping out of a plane at 13,000 feet without a parachute. He had no food to speak of, inadequate shelter, inappropriate clothing, and he did not have the first clue about the environment he blindly walked into.

I can only hope that he did not reproduce before he died. The human species does not need that kind of stupidity to be propagated elsewhere.

But maybe that was the point. I thought the point was to attempt to survive under those circumstances. If you had all that you mentioned above then wouldn't that be just normal camping? Look, I would never do what he did and I know a bunch of people have tried before and after him. Pretty sure some people can do it and some people can't. You make it or you don't. He was an educated guy so I really don't believe he was stupid. Sorry, I just can't see the judgement when you didn't know him personally or anybody that does someone similar. Equivalent to jumping out of a plane with no parachute? I don't see it. He wanted to try to survive in the wild(or whatever you want to call it) and didn't succeed. That was his choice but I don't see him as an idiot. Just my opinion.

[warptman]

So, he wasn't an idiot? This proves he wasn't all there!

"A little later Alex pulled out his crude map and pointed to a dashed red line that intersected the road near the coal-mining town of Healy. It represented a route called the Stampede Trail. Seldom traveled, it isn't even marked on most road maps of Alaska. On Alex's map, nevertheless, the broken line meandered west from the Parks Highway for forty miles or so before petering out in the middle of trackless wilderness north of Mt. McKinley. This, Alex announced to Gallien, was where he intended to go.

Gallien thought the hitchhiker's scheme was foolhardy and tried repeatedly to dissuade him: "I said the hunting wasn't easy where he was going, that he could go for days without killing any game. When that didn't work, I tried to scare him with bear stories. I told him that a twenty-two probably wouldn't do anything to a grizzly except make him mad. Alex didn't seem too worried. 'I'll climb a tree' is all he said. So I explained that trees don't grow real big in that part of the state, that a bear could knock down one of them skinny little black spruce without even trying. But he wouldn't give an inch. He had an answer for everything I threw at him."

Gallien offered to drive Alex all the way to Anchorage, buy him some decent gear, and then drive him back to wherever he wanted to go.

"No, thanks anyway,"Alex replied, "I'll be fine with what I've got."

Gallien asked whether he had a hunting license.

"Hell, no," Alex scoffed. "How I feed myself is none of the government's business. **** their stupid rules."

When Gallien asked whether his parents or a friend knew what he was up to--whether there was anyone who would sound the alarm if he got into trouble and was overdue Alex answered calmly that no, nobody knew of his plans, that in fact he hadn't spoken to his family in nearly two years. "I'm absolutely positive," he assured Gallien, "I won't run into anything I can't deal with on my own."

"There was just no talking the guy out of it," Gallien remembers. "He was determined. Real gung ho. The word that comes to mind is excited. He couldn't wait to head out there and get started." "

Jon Krakauer

[Packersnut21]

Originally Posted by gman6974

True, but nothing can fully prepare you for war. You just man up, get the right mental state and do it. I'm not talking about just McCandless either. A lot of people die doing what they love and what they believe in. You might look at it and say you would never do anything like that and that it screams stupidity. But if it doesn't affect your well-being I don't see why it matters. The guy paid for his actions. Let him be.

I just think your comparing apples to oranges here. All branches of the military have a form of basic training or boot camp that prepare you for combat environments. You are physically and mentality pushed to your breaking point, and atleast in the Army you go through a combat type atmosphere when you get to your AIT. True you can never be prepared or know what it will be like til you are there, but you have some idea.

To just go out to a place with pretty much zero knowledge of what and how to survive is stupid. Would a solider go into a battle without his rifle? Or a plumber go to a job with none of his tools? No, because that's what they need to do a job. This guy went into one hell of a harsh environment without the tools to SURVIVE, now that is stupid.

[gman6974]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

I just think your comparing apples to oranges here. All branches of the military have a form of basic training or boot camp that prepare you for combat environments. You are physically and mentality pushed to your breaking point, and atleast in the Army you go through a combat type atmosphere when you get to your AIT. True you can never be prepared or know what it will be like til you are there, but you have some idea.

To just go out to a place with pretty much zero knowledge of what and how to survive is stupid. Would a solider go into a battle without his rifle? Or a plumber go to a job with none of his tools? No, because that's what they need to do a job. This guy went into one hell of a harsh environment without the tools to SURVIVE, now that is stupid.

I was waiting for that. It looked like I was comparing the military and what he did. No, what I was trying to say if it's something you believe in, do it. Well considering, hopefully it isn't going on a killing massacre.