viewed my power bill online today (Metlakatla: work, house, company)

[Metlakatla]

Why thank you; I'm having a lovely day. It's sunny, warm, and totally enthralling.

I have no clue how young or how old AKgrl is, but she seems to be employed in a professional capacity and really does have a fair amount of intellect, so I'm assuming she can hold her own. And it's a touchy issue with a lot of us here. I think you'd have to see it to understand.

The issue isn't about people moving here; it's about what has been done to our forests, particularly on POW. There's a good book called "The Book of the Tongass" you might want to read since you find the conversation here so boorish.

Go ahead and move here; doesn't matter to me. But take one long last look first at all those beautiful trees in Oregon and be thankful that you can look out your window without seeing a clearcut in every direction. I don't have that pleasure on POW.

Powell's in Portland carries the book I mentioned.

[Rance]

Calm down peoples. This thread is about electric bills, not fist fighting over trees and such.

[Metlakatla]

I got my electric bill yesterday.

[Rance]

Your Alaskan elec bill in Oregon? I've never even tried to see mine online. Don't know if I can.

[SeeBee]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

And it's a touchy issue with a lot of us here. I think you'd have to see it to understand.

Probably so, but clear cuts don't only exist in your northern neighborhood. I understand how stronly one can feel about their land. My issue was with your snarckiness, not your feelings about clearcutting or the destruction of AK's wilderness. Have you seen strip mining (for coal - energy Rance, energy!!)? That's not so pretty either.

There's a good book called "The Book of the Tongass" you might want to read since you find the conversation here so boorish.

Thank you! Finally, a good suggestion, albeit soaked in sarcasm.But I can read through the veil!!! And I meant your and others continual complaining about "outsiders" destroying Alaska, without accepting any responsibility, was boorish, nothing else.

Go ahead and move; doesn't matter to me. But take one long last look first at all those beautiful trees in Oregon and be thankful that you can look out your window without seeing a clearcut in every direction. I don't have that pleasure on POW.

Have you missed all the clear cuts out toward the coast? Been going on for years. You are not alone in viewing the destruction of land.

Powell's in Portland carries the book I mentioned.

Again, thank you! Another good suggestion. I knew you could do it!

Well, Rance, guess the only thing we'uns have in common is 'dem trees!!!! (And using electricty...)

[Metlakatla]

Have you missed all the clear cuts out toward the coast? Been going on for years. You are not alone in viewing the destruction of land.

Of course I haven't missed them. They are nothing compared to POW. Nothing.

[Metlakatla]

Whoops. About my electric bill...think it was 80 bucks or something.

[DannyL]

SeeBee, may I cut in for a moment.
Clear cut for you is not the same for us. Clear cut for the south is all the harvestable trees are taken, the land is cleaned up, the slash is mostly hauled off and used for something. and the remaining trash is piled up and burned or even sometimes buried to level off land that a plan was made for. Usually replanting of trees (i.e. tree farms, etc.)
Here it more like rape and pillage. A company comes in, cuts down everything in sight, leaves all the slash everywhere in the way of everything, and then leaves.
The slash is left everywhere because doing something with it cuts into their profit. Not all do, attempts at tree farming are being done, but for the most part it's just a devastated wasteland. You should see some of the erosion going on.
But anyway, who cares....it's just Alaska. Cut those dumb natives a check and you can do anything.......
I could go on and on but I gotta stop there....

[Metlakatla]

My issue was with your snarckiness,

I think it's spelled without the c...but anyway, I ain't gonna be changing so you might want to put me on ignore.

And I meant your and others continual complaining about "outsiders" destroying Alaska, without accepting any responsibility, was boorish, nothing else.

It's also the truth, nothing else. Sometimes the truth ain't rainbows and butterflies.

About my electric bill, that was the highest one yet.

[SeeBee]

Originally Posted by DannyL

SeeBee, may I cut in for a moment.
Clear cut for you is not the same for us. Clear cut for the south is all the harvestable trees are taken, the land is cleaned up, the slash is mostly hauled off and used for something. and the remaining trash is piled up and burned or even sometimes buried to level off land that a plan was made for. Usually replanting of trees (i.e. tree farms, etc.)
Here it more like rape and pillage. A company comes in, cuts down everything in sight, leaves all the slash everywhere in the way of everything, and then leaves.
The slash is left everywhere because doing something with it cuts into their profit. Not all do, attempts at tree farming are being done, but for the most part it's just a devastated wasteland. You should see some of the erosion going on.
But anyway, who cares....it's just Alaska. Cut those dumb natives a check and you can do anything.......
I could go on and on but I gotta stop there....

Thank you, that makes a lot more sense as far as 'timber rage' goes. And they say that tree huggers are nuts. Kind of all the same with regard to the land, it all leads to destruction of the eco-systems and land erosion, worse in Alaska or not. You're right, your type of "clearcut" is entirely different than what we see here.

I tried to google the Tongass forest - clearcut, and keep getting info on the US Forest Service site. What a huge amount of info to wade through, and it's daunting to try and decipher what they're really saying. And the USFS are still planning on selling more timber rights, I think it was something like 3% more over the next few years.

Anyway, I will get that book that was suggested, and read it. Now, I'm curious as to who bought whom - pretty suspicious. Thanks for your input, DannyL.