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Old 06-15-2008, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK
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Really? I think you need to do more research on him & exactly what he stands for. I have. But since he is out of the race we're going to see just how much further down the slope our country is going to fall before the economy collapses completely or we have an all out race war.
As have I, and I have not liked what I have seen. I find that you and I are politically very similar, Barkley, and I think you would be disappointed with Dr. Paul.
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Old 06-15-2008, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, Fl
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We DO still have some sane conservative folks here in AK....if you weed all the COWs out! I suggest you look in Fairbanks, they were overwhelmingly Ron Paul, though they also have the University which is a known stronghold of liberal thinking as well, but usually you find a fair number that will give them a run for their money!

The town of Houston is fairly conservative, and you will find many places across the state that are the same.

Places to avoid if you want to have friends, not political antagonists, Talkeetna, Homer, Juneau, Girdwood and even Anchorage is swaying to the left lately, so watch your step there.....

Best part about Alaska though is that no matter what your philosophy, usually you will be accepted, and given the benefit of the doubt. Folks will judge you more on your kind heart, (you don't have to be a bunnie hugger, or whale watcher, just don't intentionally swerve to hit a porcupine!

Here it is OK to drive an SUV as long as you have the $$$ to put in the tank, but whatever you do, don't join the Friends of the Mat-Su!
Anchorage swaying a little to the left you say? Ha! Anchorage is a haven of far left wing nuts in my opinion. I would guess 70-75% of the entire popluation of Anchorage is way left these days. In the valley, it sways about 70-75% conservative.
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Old 06-15-2008, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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As have I, and I have not liked what I have seen. I find that you and I are politically very similar, Barkley, and I think you would be disappointed with Dr. Paul.
Interesting. I'm currently reading his book The Revolution A Manifesto. I find that I agree with most of what he says regarding foreign policy, bloat & waste in government, the Constitution & economic policy. I also like his position on second amendment rights.
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Old 06-15-2008, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK
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Interesting. I'm currently reading his book The Revolution A Manifesto. I find that I agree with most of what he says regarding foreign policy, bloat & waste in government, the Constitution & economic policy. I also like his position on second amendment rights.
I tend to be wary of anyone who promises "a revolution". History has shown that the new leaders tend to be as bad, if not worse, than the current establishment.
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Old 06-15-2008, 05:39 PM
 
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Anchorage swaying a little to the left you say? Ha! Anchorage is a haven of far left wing nuts in my opinion. I would guess 70-75% of the entire popluation of Anchorage is way left these days. In the valley, it sways about 70-75% conservative.

You may be right about Anchorage, don't tell Jerry! Since 25% of the population go there...But the valley....if that is so, how did they get the ordinance passed on gravel? THAT is a liberal agenda sneaking through to shut down development! I say even the people who are R will sign on to the Friends and fall for their propaganda! They are a political action group, not just "educating people on land use and planning issues". Let APOC look into that one!

I say the Valley is more like 50/50...this election will tell. Remember thousands have fled LosAnchorage in the last 3 years...those have yet to be counted.
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Old 06-15-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I tend to be wary of anyone who promises "a revolution". History has shown that the new leaders tend to be as bad, if not worse, than the current establishment.
I think it would be difficult to be worse than the current establishment, but I'm sure that whoever wins this election will try to outdo our current one. It seems to be the way of things.
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Old 06-15-2008, 06:12 PM
 
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You also have to remember that "conservative" and "liberal" are defined by different canons. George W. Bush is extremely liberal compared to Constitutional measures, but he's nowhere nearly as liberal as Obama, whose views line up with Marxism. (Even Marxists claim this.)

By Constitutional standards, the republicans being elected in Alaska are very liberal, but not the whackos that the dems run in the rest of the country.

There are social liberals/conservatives, fiscal liberals/conservatives, and a mix of the two.

So, it depends upon the measuring stick that you are using to define "liberal" and "conservative", and when you're talking Alaska politics, it becomes even more confusing.

What we need is to have more candidates like Grover Cleveland. He promised to veto any legislation that was unconstitutional, and he did. Even if he liked the legislation, he vetoed it. The beginning of our political demise was kicked into high gear with FDR, whose policies not only extended the Great Depression by many, many years, but laid the foundation for the socialist nanny state that we have become.

Although I don't like Ron Paul's stance on foreign relations, his platform is by far the closest thing to what we need, but he's not running. More importantly, we should elect local representatives who stand for Constitutional law and against the socialist and communist ideas that have permeated our nation.
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Old 06-15-2008, 06:40 PM
 
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You also have to remember that "conservative" and "liberal" are defined by different canons. George W. Bush is extremely liberal compared to Constitutional measures, but he's nowhere nearly as liberal as Obama, whose views line up with Marxism. (Even Marxists claim this.)

By Constitutional standards, the republicans being elected in Alaska are very liberal, but not the whackos that the dems run in the rest of the country.

There are social liberals/conservatives, fiscal liberals/conservatives, and a mix of the two.

So, it depends upon the measuring stick that you are using to define "liberal" and "conservative", and when you're talking Alaska politics, it becomes even more confusing.

What we need is to have more candidates like Grover Cleveland. He promised to veto any legislation that was unconstitutional, and he did. Even if he liked the legislation, he vetoed it. The beginning of our political demise was kicked into high gear with FDR, whose policies not only extended the Great Depression by many, many years, but laid the foundation for the socialist nanny state that we have become.

Although I don't like Ron Paul's stance on foreign relations, his platform is by far the closest thing to what we need, but he's not running. More importantly, we should elect local representatives who stand for Constitutional law and against the socialist and communist ideas that have permeated our nation.
Well said, and agreed. EVEN when it comes to which gas pipeline to choose. We HAVE to weigh which one will follow OUR own Alaskan Constitution, article 8. It has to give ALASKAN's the most long term benefit! That isn't Trans Canada Or the Denali project!
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Old 06-15-2008, 08:11 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I tend to be wary of anyone who promises "a revolution". History has shown that the new leaders tend to be as bad, if not worse, than the current establishment.
I think it'd be comparable to the Revolution of 1800 if he were elected. Jefferson wasn't perfect, but he was a big improvement over the federalists at the time...
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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More importantly, we should elect local representatives who stand for Constitutional law and against the socialist and communist ideas that have permeated our nation.
I believe that is what Dr. Paul is focusing on now.
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