Money before nature ? (Eek, Central: environment, credit, agriculture)

[Takeo]

Oh Hai !

In this fake "oil crisis" we all know it is just all about making more profit and exploiting the taxpayer to the bone.

Some time ago, some strict measures were taken to protect Alaska's unique nature, flora and fauna. That was good.

Now, that the oil fascists have created another fake "crisis", they are trying to use this as a pretext to attack Alaska's unique nature.

The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) published this in a news column:

" Mr Bush, who has repeatedly pushed for an end to the (oil drilling) ban, has accused Democrats of using their control of Congress to undermine attempts to boost domestic oil production. The president also renewed his call on Wednesday for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to be opened up to oil drilling."


I am no-one, but I think this is totally unacceptable. It only shows the contempt that Bush and the other oil criminals have for Alaska and the Alaskans.


Was it Cheney or Rumsfeld who once said: "Who cares about those pathetic Eskimos ? They can always eat snow."

Any other opinions ?

Kthxbai.



Takeo.

[GregW]

What makes you Alaskans special? Bush and the billionairs hold everyone in contempt.

[SuValley]

Well this ought to be an interesting thread, who's got popcorn?

I see from your location (France?) that you get your news from the BBC. There are other credible news sources available to you, should you be inclined

Before one rig rolls across an ice road onto the tundra plains, a whole lot of elements have to come together.

First, there is some question as to how much the area contains, and where specifically it is located. A very few exploratory well have been put in, can't recall the results exactly, but while they were promising it wasn't exactly another Saudi Arabia.

Quite a lot of regulations will have to change, some of which Congress must approve. With the coming presidential election, this is unlikely.

The Democratic party just publicly stated they would like to nationalize oil refineries. (Ok I won't go there on this one) What this really means is that US and foreign oil companies will not be investing huge amounts of money into resource development-or, if they think that another "Chavez" is impossible, its likely that the shareholders in those companies are going to insist that they wait out the uncertain political climate for a number of years.

Any pipeline laid is ten years from seeing any oil through it. Between environmental regulations, various governmental agency involvement and the lengthy review process, engineering, design, bidding, etc etc, this is a lengthy, complicated and very costly move into unproven territory.

While I am somewhat reassured about development due to improved drilling techniques over the past two decades, there is no question whatever that drilling (and shipping via pipeline) are going to have an effect up there, period.

I bet they will look a little harder at opening up the Colorado reserves now that the extraction hurdles have been overcome for the most part.

Who knew that Morris Udall would have such an affect?

[Crossfire600]

Good post SuValley

The Democratic party just publicly stated they would like to nationalize oil refineries.

Read on... what or who does this sound like?

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.

[Rance]

I live here. And I work in the oil field. Before they go punching holes in ANWR there will be months, perhaps years of seismic data to collect, then annalysis of said data, then permits to be applied for along with a tremendous amount of environmental study. And then...as we are now...we would be bird dogged by the environmental agencies. It's not like we are going to go stampeding across the coastal plains punching holes everywhere.
Personally I'd like to think there will be enough work in the future that I can retire...and my kids can work a long time to come as well. It's really not as bad as you think. There are many places oil seeps out of the ground up here so it's not like it's a pretty paradise looking to be ruined by oil on the ground. And the Caribou herds have actually grown over the years rather than diminish. Maybe Europe should practice what they preach. Lot's of polution on their own side of the pond.

[cobolt]

Originally Posted by Crossfire600

Good post SuValley



Read on... what or who does this sound like?

Socialist, Marxist. Hmmm. Sounds like France! Bend over America.....here it comes again!

[SuValley]

Rance, I have friends and family who work up there too. Maybe you ought to describe what happens to the poor ******* who has a "wildlife incident"? How much time and money is spent on safety?

It has come a long ways from the days of the pipeline construction, when my father was fired by a JCP suit wearing greenie, because he slipped on the ice and dropped three quarts of oil.

The reason he was carrying them open, was becuase it was -42. He had opened them inside, then tucked them inside his heavy arctic parka for the dash to the equipment........

And we all know how well motor oil pours at -42, right?

Of course those rigs he was working on, idled pretty much 24/7, any ideas on how much they just flat leaked while idling? *snicker*

[SuValley]

Eeks, I did not realize a mild descriptive term would be censored here. To those who read my post above, it was not truly derogatory, I promise! Just fill in the blank as your mood takes you, lol

[Crossfire600]

Originally Posted by cobolt

Socialist, Marxist. Hmmm. Sounds like France! Bend over America.....here it comes again!

Actually, that is the Communist Manifesto. Now, I am not paranoid or radical but sit down and do a Google on it and take some time to read it.. Scary...

[Terryj]

There is allot of misconception when it come to the North Slope oil fields, most people who complain about drilling have never been to the North Slope. I worked there for a few years and can say that it is one of the most environmental conscious areas in the world. If you spill anything on the ground that doesn't belong there, you clean it up, then you have to fill out a number of forms stating how it happened and what you did to fix the problem. There is more wildlife in that area than there has ever been in the past. So, how is this destructive? I think people should see this first hand instead of relying on the propaganda that is fed to them.