Power Generators and Misc (crime rates, appliances, construction loan)

[Arcticthaw]

Interesting conversation folks. Arctic mentioned moving to Manley. I understand the folks there are nice and it is down the road from Minto. Now this is an interesting combination. I hope you make friends really well. Manley should be fine, but sometimes the locals in Minto get restless. Very territorial, so make sure you know who's land your walking on. Maybe even consider being armed when in the woods. These are just rumors and old stories, but doesn't hurt to be cautiously friendly. Keep your fuel and booze well secured and hidden.

By the way bears love plastic so keep in mind poly drums of fuel may get rimmed by a bear.

[Marty Van Diest]

I'm all for getting off oil. But you can't totally avoid it. Everything in Alaska that is man made, depends on oil. Very little is manufactured here so it has to be shipped by barge, truck or plane...oil.

I'm all for getting off oil and watch for new technologies every day. I believe we will see a combination of nuclear and solar replace most oil. But it's a long time before we have electric batteries capable of powering a 747 all the way to Seattle. Or a freighter for that matter.

But the petroleum age will end...and not because we run out of petroleum, but because something better came along. Like they say, the stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Arcticthaw

Interesting conversation folks. Arctic mentioned moving to Manley. I understand the folks there are nice and it is down the road from Minto. Now this is an interesting combination. I hope you make friends really well. Manley should be fine, but sometimes the locals in Minto get restless. Very territorial, so make sure you know who's land your walking on. Maybe even consider being armed when in the woods. These are just rumors and old stories, but doesn't hurt to be cautiously friendly. Keep your fuel and booze well secured and hidden.

By the way bears love plastic so keep in mind poly drums of fuel may get rimmed by a bear.

I've heard both good and bad things said about the people in Minto. I can't say anything about them for sure because I never stopped there (had no reason to). I've chatted (online and by phone) with one fellow who is from near Minto and he seemed nice enough, but obviously one can't tell from that. I'm generally armed even here in the cities and woods of VT so it makes no difference to me.

[warptman]

I must admit this kid is cocky, and that gets you killed out in Alaska. Once again, good luck.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by warptman

I must admit this kid is cocky, and that gets you killed out in Alaska. Once again, good luck.

Did you take my comments about roads and such a little too personally? You've developed an obsession on this thread for criticising me (calling me "cocky", etc.). Can you explain how I'm being "cocky"?

[warptman]

Your cockiness comes from you saying how easy of a time you are going to have when you move here and build your cabin and live off the land, your in for a surprise. Have you ever thought that if and when they do build road access to villages, they are going to use existing ones and build from there? That would mean that they will build up the road right by your place and head on down the river.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by warptman

Your cockiness comes from you saying how easy of a time you are going to have when you move here and build your cabin and live off the land, your in for a surprise.

I guess my experience doing these things in VT counts for nothing then.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

I guess my experience doing these things in VT counts for nothing then.

That might even be a negative.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

That might even be a negative.

How so Floyd? Obviously, I'll have to adapt to the different conditions and such, so things like gardening methods will probably be a bit different, but it's not like I'm going from a warm climate/big city/never having grown anything/never hunted anything/etc., to doing so. VT, especially Northern VT, can be a pretty harsh place (minus 30 or more in the winter, big storms, etc.). Ever been to VT? Nice place to visit, but you'd be taxed to death living here...

[susitna-flower]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

I guess my experience doing these things in VT counts for nothing then.

Well, that is about right! I have lived in both places...used to live in Barre VT, and drove all over the state....I grew gardens, and know how long and cold the winter is. You are cocky, and will not even accept that people here are trying to prepare you so you don't jump into something that could end sadly.

Rather like parents trying to warn their young son not to do something that will get him hurt, which of course we all know is only as effective as the person receiving the advice.

I would like to point out that currently here in Alaska there is a massive "woman hunt", two young ladies went for a one day camping treck in Denali on trails and there is no sign of them. Hundreds of people, heat seeking devices, planes, dogs a very intensive search and nothing.... KTUU.com | Alaska's news and information source | KTUU.com Alaska's news and information source for the stories..

People who have never been in the woods with bears have no business being there.

Just like a person like yourself, with no experience living off the land in Alaska....and especially where the winter temperatures are -40 to -60 for up to 4 months has no business trying to convince all of us that you have all the skills and ability to think ahead far enough not to get into trouble.

What strikes me though is the "cocky" decleration that people who live here shouldn't want roads....that whole concept offends me. I know that anywhere you might have lived in Vermont was within a mile or two of a road....so no matter how you roughed it, you could always have the freedom to leave.

I haven't read all the posts from the last two days but has anyone warned you that people in Manley might not take so kindly to another strange young man coming to town, after what happened .......the "Manley Murders" when a "crazy, drove into town", and murdered 1/2 the people living there! Well maybe not exactly 1/2, but ....you should read the book, Murders at -40...

It wasn't the road, it was the person....At least with a road everyone has an equal chance to leave.