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Has it not occurred to you that many of the usual suspects on this site haven't responded to our ongoing dispute? Haven't you wondered why?
It's quite simple actually. You are so completely and totally full of what makes the grass grow green that many regulars just don't have the heart to tell you so. Well, guess what, I do.
Actually you're wrong. Most of us aren't responding in this thread because it denigrated into a bunch of folks arguing & calling each other names. I think that OP's intentions were good when he posted the thread but I also think that it should be in the Controversy Section. I don't come to the Alaska Section to get riled up and pizzed off at what's posted here. I come to see my friends & enjoy the threads that they post.
Wouldn't be a large percentage out of those there now that would survive, and it wouldn't be too pleasant just the same for them.
I didn't say wastelands, particularly human caused ones, aren't reversible to a degree, but in some cases it will be a long time before things are "normal" in some of them. Humans could do pretty destructive things. If we had a major nuclear war, for example, no volcano would come close to what could be done. There was a year without a summer in Vermont (and elsewhere in New England) in the early 1800's but things returned to normal quickly afterwards.
There are still issues with birth defects and cancer and such at those Japanese sites. They haven't quite returned to normal yet.
But all of this is moot because ANWR isn't a wasteland by any means.
Again, the word "wasteland" was introduced, indicating that only humans create wastelands. My points were to illustrate that humans are nothing compared to what nature can create or destroy. Since some of you could not come up with a single case of human-caused "wasteland," I presented you with the Japanese cities as examples, but also indicated that even these didn't turnout into wastelands but for a short period of time.
There are all kinds of cancer cases from people around the world that have nothing to do with nuclear explosions. In fact, there are thousands of children in the US suffering and dying from cancer.
I refrain myself from arguing with Floyd Davidson because of the reasons stated by Classic Satch. I have also received several PM's from folks in this forum asking me not to argue with him, because things get out of hand in a short order.
I have no doubt that is true. I hurl FACTS, and the two of you both, lacking any ability to respond with logic or facts, start hurling insults. It happens basically everytime.
And yes I am aware that it is exceedingly difficult to argue with me because of the facts that I produce and the because I do not find your emotional opinions and references credible.
I have no doubt that is true. I hurl FACTS, and the two of you both, lacking any ability to respond with logic or facts, start hurling insults. It happens basically everytime.
And yes I am aware that it is exceedingly difficult to argue with me because of the facts that I produce and the because I do not find your emotional opinions and references credible.
What has this to do with the video titled, "3-Ways To Lower Fuel Prices"?
My points relating to the video have been consistent all along. I have said several times that the video's host referred to several areas in the US, for drilling, not only ANWR, and that all of these areas together were only one of three ways or steps to lower fuel prices. I do agree with the politician had to say, and so most folks in this forum.
I think it is entirely reasonable to ask you, then, how is it that they are now growing Olives in the U.K.? Why did over 3,000 French people die in 2003 due to temps in the hundreds of degree's. Why in fact are over 35,000 Europeans dead in the last couple of years from record heat waves for which their bodies and infrastructure are completely unprepared? If you argue that Global Warming is not man made then, yes, I agree. We didn't cause it. However, we do know that we don't help by dumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. That we do cause and if we did something about it we might be able to keep temps worldwide from rising to human extinguishing levels. To simply say "it isn't our fault" and do nothing is fine for dinosaurs, not human beings. If we at least try and fail that is one thing. To finger point and/or claim there is no problem is IMO a shame and a disgrace.
I think it is entirely reasonable to ask you, then, how is it that they are now growing Olives in the U.K.? Why did over 3,000 French people die in 2003 due to temps in the hundreds of degree's. Why in fact are over 35,000 Europeans dead in the last couple of years from record heat waves for which their bodies and infrastructure are completely unprepared? If you argue that Global Warming is not man made then, yes, I agree. We didn't cause it. However, we do know that we don't help by dumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. That we do cause and if we did something about it we might be able to keep temps worldwide from rising to human extinguishing levels. To simply say "it isn't our fault" and do nothing is fine for dinosaurs, not human beings. If we at least try and fail that is one thing. To finger point and/or claim there is no problem is IMO a shame and a disgrace.
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Global warming is a natural process that takes place every few thousands of years. There was another global warming a few thousands of years ago, long before humans used fossil fuels to run motors. The same thing has happened to Mars, as far as we humans know, martians didn't drive cars. A few years ago there was a scientific report that indicated that a reduction in the air pollution that causes smug allows for the sun rays to heat the earth much rapidly. According to the report, smug provides a sort of filter that stops some of the heat generated by the sun.
There are conflicting reports relating to CO2, since plants and CO2 is directly linked.
One thing for certain: once the last ice age ended, a global warming began. Because if this global warming we have arable lands, more plants, more humans, more pets, more animals of all kinds, sea routes, land routes, larger cities, and on and on... What will be a disaster is when this global warming ends, and a rapid global cooling begins. The next ice age will take back all of those sea routes, land routes, farm lands, the cities will be covered with ice, and on and on. Those humans in the tropical areas of the earth will still thrive, however.
Floyd - somewhere in here you've stated that there are GALLONS of whatnots accidentally spilled on the Slopes yearly (I am paraphrasing, forgive me for not taking the time to actually find the exact quote). I asked my husband this...for he is the chap who is called if there is a spill...and his company - Schlumberger/Conoco - Phillips - has had maybe 8 spills (I cannot recall the exact number, it isn't much more than that if at all) and all amount to maybe a cup or two total. And that includes the simplest of things like water. When there is a spill, he is notified, and matters are taken care of in the quickest manner possible, documented, and discussed thoroughly in the safety meetings he has to put together. It is not an "Oh well" situation AT ALL.
EPA and others have a fairly tight stranglehold on what the oilfields can and cannot do and the fines are steep if anything occurs. All of my life I have heard both sides.
What I have said is a matter of public record. First, there are an average of over 400 individual toxic waste spills per year; and that has been true since production began. And we have a report from the State of Alaska telling us what those spills actually are. Granted that almost 90% of them are less than 100 gallons per spill... but the other 10% are not.
Between 1995 and 2005 (a ten year period, which saw 4,481 individual spills) there was a total of over 2 million gallons of toxic waste spilled, including 349,000 gallons of seawater with oil and gas mixed in, and 103,000 gallons of crude oil. That was prior to and does not include the largest single crude oil spill ever, a 201,000 gallon spill in March 2006.
Yes the fines are steep... Lets see, how much do BP and Connoco make in profits each year? Yet BP has been fined multiple times and millions of dollars... which clearly is not a viable way to influence a company that size. BP, for example, paid $20 million in criminal fines for that March 2006 spill. It was not just an accident, it was a criminal act of willful negligence.
Clearly the fines are not steep enough!
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The people working on the Slopes must stay on the roads...and ONLY on the roads or areas of production - the Tundra is ABSOLUTELY off-limits. Not even a footstep shall occur on the Tundra.
True for some people, but not at all true for everyone. Those who do not work on the tundra are not allowed to go there for fun.
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The wildlife there is ABUNDANT - and the evidence for that is right here in all the photos from Rance and others who are there - I've posted a couple that my husband has taken. Polar bear population has actually INCREASED since the 1960's - and that is documented via the biologists and others who monitor the area.
That is exactly the kind of distortion of fact that is rampant in this discussion. Of course the population of polar bears has increased since the 1960's. That is because the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972 outlawed the sport hunting of polar bears. We have no way to know how oil has affected them, simply because the dynamics cause by that protected status far out weights any other changes.
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Caribou are thriving to the point that when they migrate, and if you are the unlucky sap who is caught in the midst of it, you sit on the road for anywhere from 45 minutes to 4-6 HOURS, as my husband can attest to. The wildlife have the right-away there, not the humans.
Another distortion. That does NOT tell us what effect oil production has had on caribou. And in this case we do know. There were before and after studies done on caribou in the Kuparuk area by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. In fact there have been a couple dozen different studies, and they all have produced essentially the same picture.
"Conservative calculations yielded an estimated 78% decrease in use by caribou and a 90% decrease in their lateral movements (Cameron et al. 1995), all changes apparently in response to intensive development of the Prudhoe Bay to Kuparuk oil field region over the past 3 decades.
Raymond D. Cameron, Walter T. Smith, Robert G. White, and Brad Griffith
Section 4: Central Arctic Caribou Herd - Part 1 - Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain Terrestrial Wildlife Research Summaries (http://www.absc.usgs.gov/1002/section4part1.htm - broken link)
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Then there were comments regarding cancer...
I don't recall such comments, and have made none. I know of no correlation between oil production and cancer.
I understand in regard to your father. My father passed away decades ago, from cancer.
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I entered this 'conversation' to only present my point of view.
I entered it to keep the facts straight and to avoid wonderful opinions that like yours are not based on facts but are emotional and uninformed.
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Am I for production in ANWR? Possibly. Will it aid in fuel costs in anyway? Maybe so, maybe no..since I feel that it is merely contingent on politics and greed.
I'm not sure what you wanted to say there. In fact it very clearly would not reduce the cost of fuel more than a few pennies per gallon. Greed and politics is indeed what it is all about.
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The global warming issue is bunk, imo.
Well, come talk to people who live here and see if anyone will tell you the climate has not changed dramatically! I have no idea if man made causes are the major reason, or only a smaller part of it. The fact that it is happening is positive, and I have no doubt that we are helping it along. Can we do something? I do not know...
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The important thing here is to bring forth ideas without flame-wars in the hopes that something can be learned.
Flame wars are in the minds eye. Satch and Ray post insults, and the more of their opinions one beats into the dust the more insults they stoop to.
I'm posting fact after fact after fact, citing credible (actually, citing impeccable) sources. You, for example, have not cited even one credible source. You husband might be one heck of a fine administrator, and may know exactly which papers to file... but he is not an expert on either the environment or on any form of wildlife,
as near as I can tell from what you've said. I'm glad he's a nice guy, but quote someone who knows the topic we are discussing!
And get one thing straight, telling you the truth is not flaming you in any way. Citing credible sources with valid facts that demonstrate your claims and those of others are false it not engaging in a flamewar. If you want flames, go read Satch and Ray, they haven't got a leg to stand on and use flames as a crutch with every other article the post.
Global warming is a natural process that takes place every few thousands of years. There was another global warming a few thousands of years ago, long before humans used fossil fuels to run motors.
It has never progressed at the speed this one is.
Also, note that while fossil fuels might be the major contributing factor in this instance, the is not the first time that human activities have influence global climate. When the Chinese developed the concept of rice paddies for farming, they did it on such a massive scale that that appears to have caused a change in global climate.
I think it is entirely reasonable to ask you, then, how is it that they are now growing Olives in the U.K.? Why did over 3,000 French people die in 2003 due to temps in the hundreds of degree's. Why in fact are over 35,000 Europeans dead in the last couple of years from record heat waves for which their bodies and infrastructure are completely unprepared? If you argue that Global Warming is not man made then, yes, I agree. We didn't cause it. However, we do know that we don't help by dumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. That we do cause and if we did something about it we might be able to keep temps worldwide from rising to human extinguishing levels. To simply say "it isn't our fault" and do nothing is fine for dinosaurs, not human beings. If we at least try and fail that is one thing. To finger point and/or claim there is no problem is IMO a shame and a disgrace.
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Global warming? This is the coldest summer I can remember here in Southwest Alaska. It is 46 degrees and raining here.
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