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07-12-2008, 02:49 PM
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Floyd Davidson:
Why don't you stop already? How have I insulted you? I haven't called others in this forum "liars" like you have. I haven't insulted anybody in this forum like you have. Just read your own posts word by word.
Can you think of 3-ways to lower oil prices without getting a tantrum?
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07-12-2008, 02:52 PM
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I am downright amazed at what I can destroy
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Buy a bicycle...
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07-12-2008, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson
It has never progressed at the speed this one is.
Also, note that while fossil fuels might be the major contributing factor in this instance, the is not the first time that human activities have influence global climate. When the Chinese developed the concept of rice paddies for farming, they did it on such a massive scale that that appears to have caused a change in global climate.
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According to a very famous geographer, Harm de Blij, the end of the last global warming was very fast, and so the end of the last ice age.
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07-12-2008, 02:55 PM
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Rationally looking at all sides
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We might not be causing the climate change, but we are contributing to its acceleration by releasing fossilized carbon and monkeying with the balance of CO2 & O2 (and other gases), the ocean and rainforest filtration and temperature regulation, and the balance of population densities (human, flora & fauna). Just like huge volcanic eruptions can (and have, several times) result in rapid global warming and cooling outside/above "natural" slow and steady levels.
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07-12-2008, 02:57 PM
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Buy a bicycle...
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Well, you have a point there. The high demand for fuel at the pump does not help with fuel prices unless there is a good supply of it.
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07-12-2008, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MissingAll4Seasons
We might not be causing the climate change, but we are contributing to its acceleration by releasing fossilized carbon and monkeying with the balance of CO2 & O2 (and other gases), the ocean and rainforest filtration and temperature regulation, and the balance of population densities (human, flora & fauna). Just like huge volcanic eruptions can (and have, several times) result in rapid global warming and cooling outside/above "natural" slow and steady levels.
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Perhaps that's true, but still, what has happened in Mars?
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07-12-2008, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RayinAK
Perhaps that's true, but still, what has happened in Mars?
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I don't know what happened or is happening to Mars... I haven't been there recently, and certainly wasn't around if it was ever green and fertile. I also don't think we have enough physical information from Mars to make any assumptions that are anything more than pure conjecture or preliminary scientific theory (which require much more data and analysis to refine and validate). Care to elucidate on what things in Mars you're specifically asking about?
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07-12-2008, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MissingAll4Seasons
I don't know what happened or is happening to Mars... I haven't been there recently, and certainly wasn't around if it was ever green and fertile. I also don't think we have enough physical information from Mars to make any assumptions that are anything more than pure conjecture or preliminary scientific theory (which require much more data and analysis to refine and validate). Care to elucidate on what things in Mars you're specifically asking about?
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I understand your points. What we know of mars are recently published scientific reports indicating that Mars is going through an extreme global warming, and high levels of CO2. These and other scientific reports come to us from the same folks who are telling us about "global warming" on earth. A lot of these reports can be found at the NASA web site. On the first link below, a scientist believes that "global warming" in Mars has nothing to do with CO2, but with solar warming, while other scientists say otherwise.
Here is another:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
Another (this one includes NASA's views on Mars):
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1720024.ece
Another:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...4_gw_mars.html
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07-12-2008, 03:36 PM
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Progressivedebunker
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Originally Posted by MissingAll4Seasons
I don't know what happened or is happening to Mars... I haven't been there recently,
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Lol.
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07-12-2008, 04:38 PM
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where are our priorities?
Congress has a bill pending that would actually cut the home weatherization program and Bush even suggested ending the program.
A letter of opposition was signed by 13 members of Congress, including our very own Lisa Murkowski. You go girl.
Newsvine - Bill would cut weatherization help
and on this comment...
Global warming? This is the coldest summer I can remember here in Southwest Alaska. It is 46 degrees and raining here
100% agreement here in Kenai. We better get a great August and September cause it ain't warmed up yet. Dipnetting opened on the 10th but the counts are low.
This was a great story. She puts me to shame.

Photo Courtesy Of Darlene Tucker
Lois Tucker, 96, holds the 35-pound-king she caught on Soldotna guide Tim Hiner's boat on the Kenai River on July 1.

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