Endangered Polar Bears.... NOT! (Barrow: to buy, teacher, single)

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by starlite9

as far as politics goes, the ones caught with the bribes were from both sides of the isles...
Bill Allen wasn't picky on whom he could bribe or drag down with him.

You have a great flair for missing the obious...

Actually I have a flair for catching you missing the facts.

Murkowski appointees Jim Clark plead guilty, Randy Ruedrich paid the largest civil fine ever for ethics violations, and Greg Renkes was ousted for scandal.

Vick Korhing, Pete Kott, and Tom Anderson have been convicted. Ted Stevens, John Cowdery, and Bruce Weyhrauch, all elected officials, have been indicted.

Ben Stevens and Don Young are under criminal investigation for activities while holding an elected office.

Bill Allen and Rich Smith, Veco executives have pleaded guilty to charges of bribery.

Bill Bobrick and Ashley Reed, both lobbiest, have respectively pleaded guilty and been indicted.

All of the above are Republicans.

Where are the Democrats you say were caught? Not ONE.

Oh, they did serve a search warrent on Donny Olson, the Democrat from Nome... to gather evidence. Olson testified to the Grand Jury and is not under investigation. They did try to bribe him, but couldn't.

[Moose Whisperer]

Originally Posted by Glitch

I'm not surprised that you would terminate this discussion, having been caught in so many erroneous assumptions and deliberate lies.

Who ever said that. You are making up statements that you obviously know nothing about. Now you are clearly lying!

[Rance]

Here are some links. Might help...might not.

Is Global Warming Killing the Polar Bears? - WSJ.com

Alaska: Polar Bear Isn't Endangered : NPR

Marine Mammals Management - Alaska - Polar Bear

adn.com | Polar bears : Alaska polar bears called doomed

cbs13.com - Alaska: Polar Bears Not A Threatened Species

Polar Bear Research at the Alaska Science Center

Global Warming Affecting Alaska Polar Bears | AlaskaReport.com

Polar bear habitat at center of Alaska drilling debate | csmonitor.com

Help Save Polar Bears from the Effects of Global Warming!

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by starlite9

The North Slope oil fields now cover some 100+- miles across the Northern Coast line. To drive from one end to the other, you will see thousands of Caribou, ten here, hundred there and single ones with calves all over. You will see a wide spectrum of wildlife that you will not find around any of the towns or villages along the North Slope.

That is an absurdly ignorant statement.

the areas around the towns and villages have had everything killed within a two hour snowmachine ride or fourwheeler.

Another absurdly ignorant statement. As has been noted, we have polar bears walking through town with some fair regularity. The same is true in all of the villages. Caribou are also commonly very close to town, though just as with oil infrastructure, they do keep a distance.

Your claim that none are here is wildly absurd. I've flown the triangle from Barrow to Atqasuk to Wainwright and back to Barrow on days when there were caribou everywhere one looked. Literally thousands, not fantasized thousands like you come up with.

That is why Floyd can't get any good photos of animals other than one or two here and there from Barrow.

It sure would be nice if you stopped fabricating silly stories about me.

I have no interest in pictures of caribou, and very little in pictures of bears. There are people in Barrow who do, and they have hundreds of pictures of them, while I have only a few. (One local photographer sells polar bear pictures at the AC store here. That is just the only kind of picture he sells!)

It happens that just about the only wildlife that I really have an interest in is Snowy Owls. I have not hundreds, but thousands of Snowy Owl pictures (probably more than anyone else).

I can go out from where I am sitting and take a picture of anywhere from ten to twenty Caribou withing a few min's of the pad where our camp is at. That is a fact in "Black and White", no Grey in that statement.

And you say that means there are thousands, even though the ADF&G says there are not. You're full of bear excrement.

Polar Bears are here in great numbers for what they are. They do adapt, they aren't stupid like folks like to claim, they go into the Brooks range and eat sheep if they want, (hundred + miles to the South) and do very well and have done so for Centuries, they will go where the food is when they want to.

More fresh bear droppings. There have been individual animals go quite a ways south (one made it to Fort Yukon), but they cannot successfully breed unless the female can put on a significant store of blubber... which can be done only by eating seal, walrus or whale blubber. A starving bear or a young bear can stay alive eating almost anything, but the species cannot survive without eating blubber from marine mammals.

The seals are all along the coast line, even when the "Ice" is suppose to be miles away, why is that? The coast is where the fish are at, and they eat fish... no matter where the ice goes, the polar bear are going to follow the food too....

Seals don't require ice, though it makes their hunting a lot easier. Polar bears have a very difficult time without the ice.

I couldn't tell you anything about animals that live in the lower 48,

You don't seem to know much about animals period. There, or here.

but I can with pretty good clarity, tell you about what is in my back yard, in most cases, better than the "Experts" that have an agenda. My agenda is the truth, which is pretty "Black and White".

The ADF&G and USFWS are the people with experts that don't have an agenda. Your agenda is to fabricate whatever "facts" would appear to "prove" what you want reality to be.

[Rance]

For the love of God, we and everything on this planet are all gonna die! It's been that way since God created man and animals. It's not like it's just now happening. I reckon polar bears evolved from what...cave bears? I reckon they will either keep on evolving into a mix of polar/grizzly or just die out like many other creatures that could not adapt in eons gone by. It's just the way it is on this planet. We could be gobsmacked by an rouge comet tomorrow afternoon and none of this planet wide bickering will matter either way. The ice is melting. Has been for a million years or more. One good volcano erupting will plunge us right back into an iceage. I believe we as a species have more to worry about than some critters surviving something none of us can change anyway. If we spent as much time, effort and money on our own issues like food for the hungry, shelter for the homeless, safety of our children...can you imagine how much better this planet would be? There has been nothing but immature bickering back and forth over this stupid subject for days. Yes it will be sad to see them go...but we can't do a damn thing about it. I don't hear anyone crying about the lack of dinosaurs running around anymore. Deal with it people. Why not concentrate on doing a random act of kindness for your fellow man, the bears will never appreciate anything a man could do for them anyway.

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by AK_Photographer

So, you clearly acknowledge that Mt St Helen’s had a planetary wide effect on global temperatures. In other words, releasing pollution into the atmosphere does have an effect. What if it turns out that Mt St Helen’s only released 100 trillion pounds of stuff? Where do human effects on climate change stand then?

We have been polluting the world for what, 200 years by the left's standards... Mt. St. Helen did it's damage in less than a few min's/seconds. The temps all over the world dropped a degree or two for about a year or so...

We haven't dropped the temp at all... It has been rising for the last 20,000 years, man has had no part of it, if so, it clearly has been measured is such a small amount to be unrecordable in reality. Screaming "The Sky is falling" will in fact change nothing nor the facts...

The "Carbon Credit" that Gore and his friends have established is nothing more than a scam to make very large amounts of money for him and friends or do something to make him feel better about himself for the waste that he personally generates with his extravagant/opulent lifestyle. Pretty much like someone driving an electric car that uses power generated by a far away power plant to charge it... They can't see it so it don't matter...

The one thing that will affect us all is when the terrorist get a nuclear bomb and set it off in a major city like New York which seems to be a popular destination... The following retaliatory result will be a response that will in fact release a force that will create a cooling process that nobody wants, it is called a "nuclear winter" where the debris kicked up into the sky will in fact endanger a lot more than a fleet of SUV's.

Then the Polar Bears will be a mute point.... That is an event that is within the span of the next few years may be a distinct possiblity...

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Another absurdly ignorant statement. As has been noted, we have polar bears walking through town with some fair regularity. The same is true in all of the villages. Caribou are also commonly very close to town, though just as with oil infrastructure, they do keep a distance.

Last night, I took this photo of a Caribou getting out of the wind. As some times we will have a couple of dozen in the different wings of the building... Pretty much shows they are terrified of being eaten by us here. Show me one photo of a live caribou standing in town... within the last couple of years... I can take this same scenario every day.

[Rance]

Yeah the Russians are already freaking out over the US wanting to put a missle defense system in Poland. Like we really need that. I know I don't want to pay for it with my tax money. But I can see this as the begining of the end. I hope Poland tells us to kiss off, we ain't putting it there. This country is so eff'd up anymore. I'm almost embarrassed to be an American.

But true that...a nuclear winter would put a screeching halt to all this global warming is killing some bears agenda.

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

That is an absurdly ignorant statement.

What part can't you grasp and I will spell it out for you?

[lyoness]

Originally Posted by Rance

Yeah the Russians are already freaking out over the US wanting to put a missle defense system in Poland. Like we really need that. I know I don't want to pay for it with my tax money. But I can see this as the begining of the end. I hope Poland tells us to kiss off, we ain't putting it there. This country is so eff'd up anymore. I'm almost embarrassed to be an American.

But true that...a nuclear winter would put a screeching halt to all this global warming is killing some bears agenda.

Rance, I don't do politics, but I totally agree on so many different levels!