Alaskan Politics (statewide and nationwide) (Metlakatla, Marshall: mortgages, credit card, pricing)

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by Grannysroost

No and not looking because I have been up since yesterday...why would I want to take from personal taxes so I could .....what is the difference between that concept and welfare? I just want to be able to exist in a comfortable environment in my mind, doesn't take a whole lot, but like heat and indoor plumbing, though have done the opposite. I work for what I have, and is probably than what a lot have, but I work for it and here have this child that is mine by choice who has kidney issues, (granddaughter) and if someone says they want more from me than getting now, .....not sure, but if most left to their own without the rules changing constantly, we might be fine...no blue skies on a daily basis which will turn to black storms, no red sunsets which will....

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Beriefly, in 1932 (and again in 1941) we were at the bring of a revolution because capitalism (unregulated) produces a few filthy rich, and many dirt-poor, and hardly anyone in the middle.

FDR was a rich boy; he didn't want to go the way of the Russian aristocracy in 1917, so the New Deal.

Welfare is necessary to correct the negative externalities of any economic system.

[Grannysroost]

Originally Posted by Geechie North

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Beriefly, in 1932(and again in 1941) we were at the bring of a revolution because capitalism (unregulated) produces a few filthy rich, and many dirt-poor, and hardly anyone in ther middle.

FDR was a rich boy; he didn't want to go the way of the Russian aristocracy in 1917, so the New Deal.

Welfare is necessary to correct the negative externalities of any economic system.

That may be true that welfare is necessary to correct in some cases, and I am not against if really needed, not just because to lazy to do anything about it,but, I believe I, personally, have enough skills and talent to do what I need to do, as do many others, if "given the opportunity to be left alone to do it" quit changing the rules....from those statements, I do, once again, believe the government needs to be dealt with, toss them all out along the crap they preach, take the garbage out, then start over with a clean house....then maybe we, our kids, their kids can exist on an even keel and not be tossed around by the system, whether blue or red....take anyone of them, put them in someone else's shoes to live for a while, doubt they would make it....doesn't take much sense....

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by Grannysroost

That may be true that welfare is necessary to correct in some cases, and I am not against if really needed, not just because to lazy to do anything about it,but, I believe I, personally, have enough skills and talent to do what I need to do, as do many others, if "given the opportunity to be left alone to do it" quit changing the rules....from those statements, I do, once again, believe the government needs to be dealt with, toss them all out along the crap they preach, take the garbage out, then start over with a clean house....then maybe we, our kids, their kids can exist on an even keel and not be tossed around by the system, whether blue or red....take anyone of them, put them in someone else's shoes to live for a while, doubt they would make it....doesn't take much sense....

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What's "the garbage"?

And do you ever drive on paved roads, mail letters, get electricity to your house, get Social Security/Medicare, or eat?

If so, welcome to Middle Class Welfare.

[Metlakatla]

Granny, once again, I completely support tax breaks for the middle class.

[Grannysroost]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

Granny, once again, I completely support tax breaks for the middle class.

I understand that, and I know...I am taking it to the personal level that a lot of us are dealing with, I have my youngest at 21 with a 4 year old raising her alone from the beginning, that I just had for summer, Thank you to her for letting me have her because I have been her other parent for 4 years, short almost 1. The next one just turned 24 with 2 little ones she is raising alone...the next one up is 26 and in Korea in the army with wife and two at home...on down the line, and I am raising the oldest grandchild who has medical issues. The doc here in AK told me to get medical assistance...we don't qualify as a family because too many assets..., if worse comes to worse, I personally have custody of her and can do that, not going there now...but my point is most people that are middle class are going to be taking care of a grandchild or parent at some point soon with the "baby boom" thing, none of what is happening is cohesive with that in a way it should be. I give so much credit to my youngest girls raising these kids with having to work, paying daycare...me leaving them and taking away their comfort zone a year ago was a good thing for them. They did what they needed to do. Tax breaks for the middle class are not going to help the people that need to help family in a very short time, nor is insurance or Social Security, Medicare, or welfare for the middle class dealing with kids or aging parents....But thanks for offering...I will take a colorful sky when it is more than a mirage....

[starlite9]

No Country in the history of the Planet, has ever "Taxed" it's way to prosperity....

Obama's plan is not going to help anyone. Raise Taxes, people get laid off so the boss can pay the taxes.

What will work is if the Government gets out of the way and let the people do what they do, work and build.

Stealing from the Rich (Or as Obama states, "Spreading the Wealth Around") and giving to the poor sounds great, but doesn't work in the real World outside of Sherwood Forrest.... It is called "Socialism" and hasn't worked anywhere else in the long run either.

How many "Poor" or "Middle Class" people create jobs... about none...

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by starlite9

No Country in the history of the Planet, has ever "Taxed" it's way to prosperity....

No country without a healthy middle class, that hasn't been taxed into the lower class by government benefits to the upper class and government overspending to cause inflation, has ever been prosperous. That is why this country slid downhill under Reagan and the Bushes, and recovers when someone like Bill Clinton is in office.

Obama's plan is not going to help anyone. Raise Taxes, people get laid off so the boss can pay the taxes.

Sounds good. It isn't true though. (At least not for bosses who make in excess of a quarter of a million dollars a year in taxible income.)

What will work is if the Government gets out of the way and let the people do what they do, work and build.

So how has any Republican president since perhaps Ike ever done anything like that?

Stealing from the Rich (Or as Obama states, "Spreading the Wealth Around") and giving to the poor sounds great, but doesn't work in the real World outside of Sherwood Forrest.... It is called "Socialism" and hasn't worked anywhere else in the long run either.

Oh goodness, there it is! The "socialism" Boogie Man Himself. Everyone must be shuttering with fright, ah?

In fact though, stealing from the middle class to make the rich richer is fascist when the President runs the country's economy with his business partners.

How many "Poor" or "Middle Class" people create jobs... about none...

How many people who are not in the middle or lower classes produce? The people who Obama would tax more do not produce anything.

What we need is a healthy middle class that has not been taxed into poverty to make business owners wealthy.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

What I am trying to say is that I have no problem paying more taxes so that you can pay less, and get a break.

and that might be fine for you, I admire your attitude about this but two things to think about: 1-no matter what he says, eventually that 5% he intends on taxing will end up being most of us, especially with all he says he wants to do and 2-so many of those he says he would give money to, don't pay taxes now, this means another check or more welfare for these people. Many of us just feel we have had enough!!!!!

NIta:

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Grannysroost

That may be true that welfare is necessary to correct in some cases, and I am not against if really needed, not just because to lazy to do anything about it,but, I believe I, personally, have enough skills and talent to do what I need to do, as do many others, if "given the opportunity to be left alone to do it" quit changing the rules....from those statements, I do, once again, believe the government needs to be dealt with, toss them all out along the crap they preach, take the garbage out, then start over with a clean house....then maybe we, our kids, their kids can exist on an even keel and not be tossed around by the system, whether blue or red....take anyone of them, put them in someone else's shoes to live for a while, doubt they would make it....doesn't take much sense....

so true, even Reagan said there will always be a need for welfare and certain number that will need to receive it, but too many think they fall into that catagory..

Nita

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by starlite9

No Country in the history of the Planet, has ever "Taxed" it's way to prosperity....

Obama's plan is not going to help anyone. Raise Taxes, people get laid off so the boss can pay the taxes.

What will work is if the Government gets out of the way and let the people do what they do, work and build.

Stealing from the Rich (Or as Obama states, "Spreading the Wealth Around") and giving to the poor sounds great, but doesn't work in the real World outside of Sherwood Forrest.... It is called "Socialism" and hasn't worked anywhere else in the long run either.

How many "Poor" or "Middle Class" people create jobs... about none...

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Then explain the US 1946-73, or Germany, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, etc?